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02-24-2017 , 03:03 PM
Won't change the identity of scoop buy ins? The one true identity of WCOOP
And scoop IS the watches and bracelets.

I really hope this isn't the final draft.

100% PSKO must go. Trial it in the proper schedule first, if it works move it to series. Your logic is some guy told you it's a cool format? Let the people tell you if it's cool or not (like they have with win the button)

The other changes brought up in here are fair, valid and mutually beneficial. I hope you reconsider.
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02-24-2017 , 03:08 PM
the quote of the blog post is some bs man jesus so tilting. those watches were so SCOOP if u re gonna get rid of them at least make it sound like you mean it and not make up some bs excuses. no money will go to any promotions from those watches and bracelets, its ALL going into amaya pockets stop treating us like we re idiots.

other changes are good, agree with pads
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02-24-2017 , 03:42 PM
Luke Stubbornmaier FTW
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02-24-2017 , 04:06 PM
I think if you asked each winner of this years scoop if they would pay $1000 for the watch they would likely say yes, even blindly Not knowing what the value of the watch.

I'm not sure if you follow will kassouf on social media. He basically goes to play nl100 live (lol) takes his EPT hr trophy (Lolol) and everybody is Q'n up, taking pictures of it and making it their fb profile pic etc. he even bought the trophy himself for $50k �� Amaya have got s lot of **** wrong, but the watches/bracelets stuff is a big **** up. Remember Amaya come 3rd in every single online tournament there is on their site simply through rake.
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02-24-2017 , 05:14 PM
Speaking from experience (I luckboxed a $11 pko scoop 2015) winning the watch was a huge deal to me personally. One of my most prized possessions for sure.

I believe the price of my watch was roughly $600 (said so on the invoice)

I wouldn't be surprised if PS loses $ on this... I don't think it's unrealistic to assume at least a small percentage of players will play less events as a result of this.

I'm probably wrong though and PS will make more $ off SCOOP this year than ever before.
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02-24-2017 , 06:27 PM
Final table prizes will be smaller than previous years with new payouts and now no watches/bracelets, so slowly but surely scoop will die off.

You would hope when 888 and party run their series along side scoop this year, at least one of them offers some kind of trophy/bracelet for each event winner.

And yeh obviously this guy is talking garbage about most players not wanting bracelets.Maybe you should tell Phil Hellmuth about how unimportant bracelets are to players.

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02-24-2017 , 07:19 PM
to be fair to Luke, i doubt he has any choice in the watch decison.
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02-24-2017 , 08:06 PM
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Reasons behind different payouts this year compared to last year?
In case you missed it the first 2 times
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02-24-2017 , 08:24 PM
could we have a nlo8 phase event?
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02-24-2017 , 08:26 PM
So no comment on the multiple requests for some events in the off peak time periods?
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02-24-2017 , 08:29 PM
Wait hang on.. instead of listening to the feedback and adding earlier events / earlier start times you've done the exact opposite to 47 and 48 and made them later?

You're basically giving us the finger?
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02-24-2017 , 09:17 PM
scrapping the stud hi event for nl5cd makes no sense. stud was on the Saturday before main day last year that many people skipped as they rested for the Sunday and even got more entries than nl5cd that was on a Sunday. there is also a lot more high stakes action at stud hi than 5cd both online and live and from what I see a lot more stud cash action on stars in general?
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02-24-2017 , 09:31 PM
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scrapping the stud hi event for nl5cd makes no sense. stud was on the Saturday before main day last year that many people skipped as they rested for the Sunday and even got more entries than nl5cd that was on a Sunday. there is also a lot more high stakes action at stud hi than 5cd both online and live and from what I see a lot more stud cash action on stars in general?
I am only speaking for myself, but when I saw that change I got one less event to play this SCOOP
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02-24-2017 , 10:25 PM
Nl5card over stud ...

Serious?
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02-25-2017 , 01:45 AM
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[*]Event 26 changed from NLO8 6-Max Turbo to 8-Max Regular speed (not
Just cus there is one guy constantly barking here for 8 and 9 max does not mean its the consensus. 6 max is the most popular format for high buyin 08 tournaments, the data should back that up.

Please consider making it 6 max Reg speed if the data correlates to participation levels being higher.
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02-25-2017 , 03:04 AM
No watches is rlllly tilting but continous amaya trend and no surprise i guess
Its like saying wsop wont reward bracelets. Basically only two series in the year where you were able to win a physical trophy and you just take that prestige away instead of looking for another option.


100% PKO srsly gtfo
why d you have any turbos in this sched at allbesides zoom?
thrill/tuesday 1575/2100 2nd week plz
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02-25-2017 , 03:25 AM
Keep the watches!! At least give us the chance to buy one if we won.
Last year my friend was suckout in the heads ups for heaps of moneys and the watch. Few months later i saw the other guy ( who won the tournament ) making a post in the snapchat w the watche, i snap print and sent to my friend saying "hey man, here is ur watch, congratz!"

My point is, the money goes, but the watches is forever, people really, really want, more than stars think.
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02-25-2017 , 06:48 AM
Would like to see Stars reconsider all super-gimmicky formats like 100% PSKO, hypers (it's SCOOP after all).

And with regard to the bubble rush event - this an event that seems to be performing quite poorly in the normal schedule. Why spend a slot on it in a series that (i) should mainly be vanilla, (ii) is lacking some niche games that many would like to play? If it still is to run during SCOOP, I hope that it is to be made "SCOOP-worthy" by changing the level times drastically. Something like 10-20-30 (or even longer) could be nice. I like VLTs in general, but bubble rush is too extreme pre bubble as it currently stands at 4-12-15.

Are the MEs back at 109$/1050$/10300$, or will they stay at the levels they were last year (100$/1000$/10000$). And could we get well-structured satellites for the MEs as early as possible?

More 6-max/8-max - ST and TT could have one week each being played shorthanded, and some sub-50% PSKO are strongly wanted changes.

Also, big +1 to Pads' amended schedule and to the suggestion of SCOOP-winners being given the opportunity to BUY watches, if Stars are so intent on not giving them out anymore.
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02-25-2017 , 07:26 AM
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scrapping the stud hi event for nl5cd makes no sense. stud was on the Saturday before main day last year that many people skipped as they rested for the Sunday and even got more entries than nl5cd that was on a Sunday. there is also a lot more high stakes action at stud hi than 5cd both online and live and from what I see a lot more stud cash action on stars in general?
Completely agree.

Bring back Stud Hi into schedule.
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02-25-2017 , 08:07 AM
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scrapping the stud hi event for nl5cd makes no sense. stud was on the Saturday before main day last year that many people skipped as they rested for the Sunday and even got more entries than nl5cd that was on a Sunday. there is also a lot more high stakes action at stud hi than 5cd both online and live and from what I see a lot more stud cash action on stars in general?
It makes sense if you look at their numbers in the past(not just 2016). Yup it would be unfair if you look at last year's nos as the draw game ran on sunday but in 2015 both ran on weekdays and still nl5cd (L and M) both events did better than stud even though the draw slot time was little too early). Higher stake stud no doubt would do better than draw everytime but not the lower/medium buy ins. So would it be fair to skip nl draw only because its high stake game don't do well than stud? And since you're talking about stud cash action on stars, you should also see how their tourneys perform in the weekly schedule (Compare nl5cd vs stud saturday/sunday tourneys and daily tourneys). How often stud tourneys have cancelled.

Obviously would have liked to see both in the scoop schedule but I guess that's not possible looking at the schedule. (Had earlier suggested to add draw game on 14th may without needing to replace stud)
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02-25-2017 , 10:45 AM
Please for the 50th time this 100%KO format is so awful. Please change this to just another % - 25, 50, 75, whatever, just anything other than 100. This is the only request of a lot of people here.

Your logic behind this is one player convinced you they have potential. I'd love to know who this player is because they seem to have a lot of power and maybe we can speak to them instead to explain why we feel this format is rubbish.

You also say the format will be removed if not popular with players. Bubble rush is not a popular format and it's been running for long enough now to see this. Yet you put a bubble rush event on in SCOOP. Care to explain?

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02-25-2017 , 11:56 AM
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So no comment on the multiple requests for some events in the off peak time periods?
+1 one on this. early thrill/super T are ideal days/slots to run them in

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02-25-2017 , 12:00 PM
Obviously also 100% psko in a series like this is crazy.
I don't understand the reluctance to change this it's a fringe tournament/idea at best and needs to be tried in the normal schedule

I also think ante up and win the btn should go and be replaced by vanilla nlhe. They are barely in the regular schedule and are not popular where they are in it. The $162 wtb is a terrible tournament for example and should not even be in the main schedule.

Yes these formats somehow get the honour of a scoop event despite being quite unpopular


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02-25-2017 , 01:20 PM
Yea get rid of all the gimmicks
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02-25-2017 , 02:33 PM
+1 to all what buffy says
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