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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
Wednesday is the new Sunday? Why 25ks on the Wednesdays?
Heads up / Shoot outs being in the late slot is kinda tough to play, they take long time.
The $21K 8-Max NLHE was on Saturday last year. I don't think this group of players is particularly sensitive to which day it is played on, so moving it to Wednesday should ease the burden on players who plan on playing the big Sunday tournaments. It will also make for a better experience for observers!
The Heads-Up and Shootout Events are in that slot on purpose--if they are scheduled in early time slots, the turnout suffers because they do not allow late registration. I'm cognizant of the fact that they run for a long time and have significant downtime between matches. This is something I'll look into when it is time to write the Event structures.
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Originally Posted by sirluckbox
It is missing the popular 3 max pko zoom.
Last year you had more $11 phases than 109 and 1ks which makes sense. you can do 3 $11 phases a day.
Thanks for the feedback regarding the 3-Max. Which tournament would you replace?
As far as the Phases go, like I said in the OP, scheduling is not finalized for these Events. Last year, we ran 6x $1,050 Phase 1s, 12x $109 Phase 1s, and 34x $11 Phase 1s. I would expect a similar ratio for this Series as well.
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Originally Posted by mecantplay
Not cool that u reduce most of 27$ tourneys to 11$.
Make at least 50% of currant 11$ to be 27$.
I dont get it why [Phase 1] is in every single day as separate event?
U can run it between events every single day but on that time slot there should be new event.
NLHE and PLO 3/4 max pko zoom tourneys should be in the schedule.
What about the idea that all of L tourneys to have at least 1 re-entry?
Why Sunday, May 14th have 4 events? Should be a mistake.
Make all working days with at least 4 events without counting phase tourneys.
1 of that events should be NLHE 9max FO, 1-other kind of NLHE and 2-non NLHE or 3-NLHE, 1-other type. As standard every week day should have 5 events 3-NLHE, 2-other non NLHE.
Weekends can handle more then 6 events without counting phase tourneys. Make that happen.
Thanks for the feedback.
- The total number of Events is not going to change to any large degree. The number of Events was decided upon to provide space for the Phase tournaments in order to reach their guarantees. We will not be replacing each Phase 1 with a new Event. In addition to this, it is important to remember that our player's wallets are not infinitely deep. Every time we add a new tournament, we thin out the fields to some degree.
- Last year, we ran 17 NLHE Events with a Low buy-in of at least $27. In this version of the schedule it is 16. The reduction in $27 (or higher) Low buy-ins is due to the changes to non-NLHE games. These games will benefit from having lower buy-ins.
- Sunday, May 14th will likely have a Phase attached to it as well.
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Originally Posted by neveren0ugh
Waaay too many 11/109/1k , pls increase number of 27/215/2k instead.
Do you have any suggestions? Like I said above, in terms of NLHE, there is one less $27/$215/$2,100 Event than last year. This is easily amended, but more detailed feedback is required. We feel strongly that the non-NLHE games should have a reduction in buy-in. We do not feel that High Events with 40 unique players are helping us reach our goals or adding prestige to the Series. If any non-NLHE games are going to have an increase in buy-in, it would likely be Omaha variants.
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Originally Posted by squire1888
needs 3max zoom or 3max psko they were v popular last scoop and wcoop 4m just doesnt cut it :|
Feedback noted, though I don't think these formats are fair comparisons. I think a closer comparison would be a generic Zoom tournament. What would you replace?
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Originally Posted by card core
+1
It's that time of the year where everyone plays higher than they should. Let's keep this attitude alive.
It certainly isn't dead. Have $25K to spare?
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Originally Posted by Neilcaterham
Terrible for Omaha8 players.
Only 1 decent progressive KO which, thankfully, is a re-entry.
Probably will not plan a schedule for this as i am not excited enough by it.
Do you have any suggestions? It is hard for me to do anything with this when I look at last year's schedule and we had 5.5 Omaha8 tournaments (one was Mixed Omaha) while this year we have six.
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Originally Posted by anuj22
- Not sure what others think SCOOP-37: $11/$109/$1,050 NLHE [Progressive 100% KO] should def be a re-entry (hell yeah even if it was unlimted)
- 3 max zoom pko will do way better than a 4 max freezeout
- You could add NL 5 Card Draw event on 14th May. If not you should def replace Stud with NL5CD as it did better than Stud last year (L and M) and you could still play stud in 8game and horse even if you leave out stud.
- I think there should at least be 1 NLHE event with something unique payouts like deep payouts(25%) or bigggg min cash (3x or 4x). (Even Mysterious payouts would be nice ) Why all the events have to have the same payout %?
$11/109/$1050 buy in for mixed and other games looks good even though I'd have liked $27/$215. I still think you could do $27/$215/$1050 as only the $2100 struggled in the past.
Thanks for the feedback, Anuj.
- I agree that 100% KO should be re-entry for the fun factor, but I don't want to overdo the amount of NLHE re-entry in the schedule. I'll consider it.
- Your feedback regarding Draw is fair, though it is worth mentioning that Draw was on a Sunday while Stud was on the Saturday just before Main Event Sunday. Despite this, the High Stud Event drew a bigger crowd. I suspect that the Low and Medium Stud Events would've done much better on a Sunday. Regardless, I tend to think that we'll begin rotating the less popular games in WCOOP/SCOOP.
- I'm not sure about the payouts. On one hand, I agree that it is potentially a draw for some players. On the other hand, I want the Events to be focused around the poker being played and not other external factors. I also want to avoid any potential confusion that could lead to smaller fields.
- How dare you suggest breaking the sacred [almost] 10x rule!
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Originally Posted by MakeMe89
Luke i think you are a Smart guy but people need to know one thing the Schedule is much more like the same like Last year the only thing that i know will happen is a few tweaks here and there e.g the guarantees will probably go down by some margin - the satellites will be focused more on deep stack and not Rebuys 3x ,the starting times will be affected- this Scoop will be more focused on streamlining the business Agenda of Pokerstars when it comes to big events #makeScoopGreatAgain
Smart with a capital S. I'll take it.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. Every single year when we offer a Series, the goal is to iterate on the previous year and make it a bit more exciting for our players. This year's iteration is the Phase tournament running for an extra week and therefore having a bigger guarantee. The guarantees will be higher than last year's $40M and the start times are exactly the same range as they were in last year's SCOOP.
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Originally Posted by superslug
Does anyone like these 100% prog kos?
I had a chat with a player about these which convinced me they have potential. Basically, 50% bounties contain both the fun of a knockout element and the exciting final table prizes of a traditional MTT. 75% bounties lacks the exciting prizes of a traditional pay table. Progressive 100% KOs throw the pay table out the window. There's no need for hand for hand or ICM. A player's sole focus is to accumulate bounties.
Also, the 100% KO in TCOOP was extremely fun to watch. Basically, I do not see the issue with continuing to try them out in the regular schedule and COOPs. If they are not popular with our players, they'll be removed.
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Originally Posted by insomniac86
having a load load of phase 1ks seems ambitious. maybe more phase 1s for lower stakes, less for higher
Yep, I addressed this above, but that's the plan. The schedule above was meant to show that we plan to fill gaps with Phase 1s.
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
I would change events 47/48. 2k starting later will help participation levels, especially before the last "big" Sunday. 9am is just so early for a Saturday when there's nothing else to play. People want to get stuff done before the big Sunday.
Phases on Tuesdays, especially for $1k should start a couple of hours later.
What is "deep stacks"
Thursday 18th May. Start the 1k etc phase a little earlier
Add a $11/109/1k kick off or ultra deep variable levels on the last Sunday.
In general just too many phases. We will (touch wood) make it through early and then there's just an empty slot in everybodies schedule. Running a phase alongside another event in the same time zone is completely reasonable.
- I agree with the sentiment behind changing Events 47/48. I'll take a closer look. My logic behind this one was fairly simple--the previous Saturday has a $5.50/$55/$530 NLHE Event in that same time slot.
- I generally agree with this as well, though to some degree it depends on the structure of the Phase Events.
- Ultra-Deep Stacks, just with a shorter name.
- Again, the Phase starting times are not final, but there's a couple different considerations to make here. We want players from all time zones to be able to participate and we do not want a lot of overlap during late registration for similar Events.
- I do not think the final Sunday will get a NLHE at 08:00. It will overlap with the final Phase 1s. I did add a PLO for those with big hearts, though.
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Originally Posted by jdawg91
Thoughts on 2nd Tues/Thurs being $1575 or $2100 price point for the normal $1k super tues/thurs thrill? the 1050/1575/2100 seems to work real nicely during WCOOP
It's not impossible!
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Originally Posted by clapclap
marathon event?
There will not be a marathon Event in SCOOP. Every time we run a tournament that is longer than two days, we are running a risk if site issues occur. The short explanation is that if we have site issues while a tournament is manually paused (any time after day 2), we'll be forced to play a hand. This has obvious negative implications. I'm hoping that we can have a fix in place for WCOOP.
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Originally Posted by FreeThinkMX420
Would love to see:
A big bet mix like the new WSOP event - Any out of NLH/PLO/PLO8/NL08/NL2-7single draw /PL 2-7 triple draw.
A mixed Omaha hi/lo event like last years zoom
More phase tournaments including a phase Omaha event as well as Omaha Hi/Lo - these both would be HUGE.
A 5 or 10 Stack 6 Max iteration of both Omaha and Omaha Hi/Lo events.
A Marathon event!!
A NL 2-7 Single draw psko event. I feel psko works really well with this pure game.
A 2 day event with a short day 1 as the final SCOOP of the day, will help your core SCOOP grinders as two week of 12hr+ grinds takes its toll.
I posted this in the unofficial thread. having seen the sched u posted some of the changes i think should be made:
more $11's changed back to $27's, its SCOOP not micro millions. while you may get a few more players, overall prize pools will be lower if you drastically change most of the 27$s to $11.
Whats happened to N-Stack format? There was a 5 stack PLO Scoop last year that had the most beautifully deep structure. 2 Scoops a go there was a 5 Stack NLH Mtt.
You can probably find space for two events on the final monday. A NLH + PLO event will round SCOOP off nicely. 12:00 and 14:00 timeslots or 13:00 and 15:00 timeslots.
Have you removed the 'Championship' tag? Or was that WCOOP only?
Thanks for all the feedback!
- Unfortunately, we don't have the ability to run a big bet mix. I'd snap run something like that for April Foolishness if it was possible!
- n-Stack has been removed because I don't think it attracts players. It isn't prevalent in the normal schedule and I think placing it in SCOOP would just result in an unpopular format taking a valuable Event slot.
- Since we only have one NL 2-7 Single Draw Event, I feel that it should be vanilla.
- Overall Series prize pools are not heavily dependent upon the mixed games. Like I posted above, we only have one less NLHE tournament with a Low buy-in of $27 or more. This can also easily be amended.
- The final Monday is meant to be a sort of winding down for SCOOP, not another day of Events. While plans for Monday aren't finalized, it is unlikely that it will be converted into another full day of traditional Events.
- The Championship tag was only used in WCOOP.
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Originally Posted by FreeThinkMX420
Also i thought SCOOP was deep stack and slow structures, I see many turbos and even a hyper-turbo in the prelim sched
There's five versus 4.33 last year (one of the Player's Choice Events was hyper-turbo).
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
I really dislike re-entry on literally anything that's a championship thing, but I guess it cannot be stopped. Maybe it's ok on some games where you can give a 1k a 100k+ guarantee with re-entry or something.
Make sure structures are such that, especially if they start later in the day, playtimes are nicely divided between day 1 and 2. If a tournament is projected to last for 14 hours try to go for 7/7 or something, too often in the past have these gone like 11/3.
I would also say that especially the high and to a lesser extent the medium versions of the tournaments are really aimed towards the professional players, and as such you should not be scared of slapping on some nice structures and making 3-day events. I guess the main thing I'm worried about is having to skip some events because their day 1 lasts until 7am or whatever. I also don't think this necessarily needs to be consistent between buyin levels, it's totally ok to have a 15-min low that's 2 days and a 20-min mid/30-min high that are 3 days.
No marathon event? It was one of my favorites from wcoop. L-30min M-45min H-60min with a 500bb starstack should be fun for a poker enthusiast, and grinders will play as they are playing every day anyway.
Thanks for the feedback. I haven't looked into structures yet, but I believe that Day 1 should always be a reasonable length. Once players are ITM, there isn't much value in forcing them to play for several more hours. I'd prefer players have to play a longer Day 2. That said, the plan is to look at how tournaments ended after Day 1 last year and make appropriate changes. The only planned 3-day tournaments this year are the Phase and Main Event, though. I explained why this is above.
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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
You actually have software capabilities for Progressive KO re-entry (as was listed for ante up) or is one of those things a typo?
I've never heard of 5 card Omaha played no limit yet it's very commonly played pot limit. Why mess will a good thing and make the 5c O8 event NL?
Yes, we have the ability to run re-entry knockout tournaments. There's a few in the regular schedule.
Just because it is very commonly played one way doesn't mean it won't be fun to play it another way! If it fails, it will be removed. I have no qualms about that. Any others have an opinion on this Event?
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Originally Posted by MrEsprectro
I like the schedule, but please add a Marathon event.
Cheers! I explained why there will not be a marathon Event in SCOOP above.
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Originally Posted by LOLCh1pPorn
+1 for marathon event
+1 for more 27$ vs 11$ (215vs109 etc)
-1 for 100% psko
will there be watches for the winners?
There will not be watches for the winners.
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Originally Posted by travisohc
get rid of all turbos....we had tcoop in january
+1 for a marathon event
no 100% progKO
thrill and ST buy in levels seem perfectly fine as in previous years
Thanks for the comments.
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Originally Posted by DBerglin
Would be cool to have one week of the Super Tuesday/Thursday Thrill events being 6max edition so it gives a more special feeling of a "new" exciting tourney that week.
+1 for a marathon event.
No 100% PKO please. Nobody are used to that format and people want big prizepools during these series! 25% prog or SKO would be better.
I'd rather increase the buy-in of the Super Tuesday/Thursday Thrill than convert them to 6-Max. I think the series has a healthy amount of 6-Max at the moment.
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Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
0 NLO8 events with 8-max or 9-max is well, just fool's errand. Add one additional NLO8 tournament which is 8-max and convert regular NLO8 to 9-max, imo.
There's also certainly room to have 4 (non-phase) events during weekdays and even 5-6 events for Sat / Sunday.
There's already an additional NLO8 tournament compared to last year.
Last year:
$27/$215/$2,100 6-Max Progressive KO
$27/$215/$2,100 6-Max Turbo Zoom
$27/$215/$2,100 6-Max
This year:
$11/$109/$1,050 6-Max Progressive KO
$11/$109/$1,050 6-Max 5-Card Hyper-Turbo
$27/$215/$2,100 6-Max Turbo
$27/$215/$2,100 6-Max
Personally, I like the variety on offer this year! It is also worth noting that one of the PLO8 Events is 8-Max.
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Originally Posted by JimyJamonas
There doesn't seem to be a single vanilla nlh event which isn't a special edition of existing majors (Sunday/Tuesday)
Add more
I don't plan on adding more Events to this year's SCOOP, but if you have suggestions for conversions, feel free to leave them here and I'll look into it.
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Originally Posted by Thegamewillendsoon
A lot of non-turbo satts for the higher buyins please
I like non-turbo sats! This is another reason that I do not want SCOOP to bloat in size and scope at the moment. By iterating on SCOOP with the Phase Event, we can keep tournaments spaced out and schedule satellites accordingly. I plan on using a lot of On-Demand, so it will be up to you guys to smash the register button…
Thanks for all the feedback, and keep it coming!