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02-11-2016 , 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeGoLeafsGoLeah
MORE TURBOOOO's / HYPER'turbs PLZ!
Series is such a long grind with sooooo many slow structures, turbos sprinkled in are like a vacation. Last event of every day should be some sort of Turbo, hyper turb, semi turbo....
1. There will be a Hyper-Turbo Event in SCOOP sometime after I'm nothing but ash, but not before.
2. A Turbo Event at the end of every day... are you trying to get me killed?
(I can easily see something like a Variable Level Times Event with a 4/6/8/10/12 structure at the end of most days, though...)

Quote:
Originally Posted by anuj22
Please No
Fear not, there is zero chance of all Optional Re-Entry Events being replaced with rebuy Events.
02-11-2016 , 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeGoLeafsGoLeah
MORE TURBOOOO's / HYPER'turbs PLZ!
Series is such a long grind with sooooo many slow structures, turbos sprinkled in are like a vacation. Last event of every day should be some sort of Turbo, hyper turb, semi turbo....
u had your two weeks in january, now let us have ours in may!
02-11-2016 , 08:32 PM
For those of us who play pretty much every event for 15 days in a row; having the last event of each day be at least somewhat of a faster structure goes a VERY long way.
Otherwise days can easily end up being 12+hrs; 15 days in a row is way too much like work!
Variable level events will help but others (Turbo, Zoom, 10min levels) would be appreciated as well.
I understand the Turbo series was in January; just looking for a bit of a break to avoid super longs days other then punting.
02-11-2016 , 09:15 PM
How about taking one or two days off
02-11-2016 , 10:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raidalot
Since you're reluctant to amend once you publish the draft schedule, please take a red pen to whatever you've drafted so far and make these changes:

- Ditch most of the turbos
- Lower the damn rake on the turbos you do keep
- Remove 80% of the PSKO/Knockout
- Limit other gimmicky formats to 1 event each
- Move variants other than NLHE from Sundays to other days
- Same with HU/short-handed
- Replace all re-entries with re-buys
- Add an extra event every Sunday
- Include a SHR on final Saturday

Then, when the suits upstairs are telling you to save a few $ on the leaderboard prizes, just remember those prizes probably pay for themselves by encouraging more players to enter more tourneys. Oh, and don't scrimp on the guarantees either.

Otherwise, should all be fine.

Ty
So much good stuff here.
02-12-2016 , 04:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
1. There will be a Hyper-Turbo Event in SCOOP sometime after I'm nothing but ash, but not before.
2. A Turbo Event at the end of every day... are you trying to get me killed?
(I can easily see something like a Variable Level Times Event with a 4/6/8/10/12 structure at the end of most days, though...)


Fear not, there is zero chance of all Optional Re-Entry Events being replaced with rebuy Events.
Thank you
02-12-2016 , 05:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raidalot
Since you're reluctant to amend once you publish the draft schedule, please take a red pen to whatever you've drafted so far and make these changes:

- Ditch most of the turbos
- Lower the damn rake on the turbos you do keep
- Remove 80% of the PSKO/Knockout
- Limit other gimmicky formats to 1 event each
- Move variants other than NLHE from Sundays to other days
- Same with HU/short-handed
- Replace all re-entries with re-buys
- Add an extra event every Sunday
- Include a SHR on final Saturday

Then, when the suits upstairs are telling you to save a few $ on the leaderboard prizes, just remember those prizes probably pay for themselves by encouraging more players to enter more tourneys. Oh, and don't scrimp on the guarantees either.

Otherwise, should all be fine.

Ty
This.

The more gimmiks and turbos the less likely ill be to travel for 3 weeks to play 75k+ in buy-ins.

Late events reaching day 2 earlier or being variable levels would be great.
02-12-2016 , 09:55 PM
might as well use this one for suggestions then, since Bryan's reading them too


pls no 3 phases if possible....just 2 phase would be great, could make the 2nd phase 2 day as well

try not to leave out 2-7 NLSD and AU
02-12-2016 , 10:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raidalot
Since you're reluctant to amend once you publish the draft schedule, please take a red pen to whatever you've drafted so far and make these changes:

- Ditch most of the turbos
- Lower the damn rake on the turbos you do keep
- Remove 80% of the PSKO/Knockout
- Limit other gimmicky formats to 1 event each
- Move variants other than NLHE from Sundays to other days
- Same with HU/short-handed
- Replace all re-entries with re-buys
- Add an extra event every Sunday
- Include a SHR on final Saturday

Then, when the suits upstairs are telling you to save a few $ on the leaderboard prizes, just remember those prizes probably pay for themselves by encouraging more players to enter more tourneys. Oh, and don't scrimp on the guarantees either.

Otherwise, should all be fine.

Ty
Just let this guy run Amaya ffs.
02-13-2016 , 02:01 AM
+1 to all of the above about raidalot and his great post
I basically agree with all of it. The only couple of things that I would add:
I'd really like (at least) one tournament of every game. E.g. please have a Badugi, a 2-7 FL TD, a 2-7 NL SD, a FLO8 event etc. Lots of those have been neglected over the past couple of series.
And in general I would just advocate for more mixed events than you'd plan for (as many as poss), as the nlhe guys get their big field mtts for the rest of the year, and a COOP is our only time to get to play some

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeGoLeafsGoLeah
MORE TURBOOOO's / HYPER'turbs PLZ!
-100000 to this. Especially with TCOOP having just finished.
02-13-2016 , 07:42 AM
Raidalot 100% on point as always


Run mtt sats to generic 2.1k scoop ticket starting immediately
02-14-2016 , 06:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raidalot
Since you're reluctant to amend once you publish the draft schedule, ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
I'm sorry, but the above is simply not accurate. If you were go to back and look at Versions 1 and Final for the various major Championship series over the years, in pretty much every case you'd see major changes from one to the other. In many cases, those changes have come about as a result of feedback from our players, not all of it from this forum but a great deal of it from here.
You're a step ahead of others in at least soliciting feedback and you have sometimes made changes, notably in 2015. However, often the attitude has shown an element of reluctance, like when introducing the 2014 draft schedule:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
We've got the schedule just about set, and now as per usual, we're showing it to our players before we chisel everything in stone.
More importantly, the frustration from this end (which was reflected in my post, with a degree of tongue-in-cheekiness) is that pretty much every time the overwhelming feedback is the same, i.e. those points I listed, and yet they never get addressed.

SCOOP is the nuts as far as poker series go and will be again this year (as long as you keep multi-stakes!), whether or not you choose to address the players' main points. Though we disagree on what is best, I'm grateful for the effort you and your colleagues put into making SCOOP as awesome as it is.
02-14-2016 , 08:59 AM
please reduce psko and sko and add more normal freezeouts or rebuys
02-14-2016 , 10:57 AM
+1 to Raidalot, very good suggestions.
02-14-2016 , 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raidalot
You're a step ahead of others in at least soliciting feedback and you have sometimes made changes, notably in 2015. However, often the attitude has shown an element of reluctance, like when introducing the 2014 draft schedule:

More importantly, the frustration from this end (which was reflected in my post, with a degree of tongue-in-cheekiness) is that pretty much every time the overwhelming feedback is the same, i.e. those points I listed, and yet they never get addressed.

SCOOP is the nuts as far as poker series go and will be again this year (as long as you keep multi-stakes!), whether or not you choose to address the players' main points. Though we disagree on what is best, I'm grateful for the effort you and your colleagues put into making SCOOP as awesome as it is.
This.
02-15-2016 , 05:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raidalot
Since you're reluctant to amend once you publish the draft schedule, please take a red pen to whatever you've drafted so far and make these changes:

- Ditch most of the turbos
- Lower the damn rake on the turbos you do keep
- Remove 80% of the PSKO/Knockout
- Limit other gimmicky formats to 1 event each
- Move variants other than NLHE from Sundays to other days
- Same with HU/short-handed
- Replace all re-entries with re-buys
- Add an extra event every Sunday
- Include a SHR on final Saturday

Then, when the suits upstairs are telling you to save a few $ on the leaderboard prizes, just remember those prizes probably pay for themselves by encouraging more players to enter more tourneys. Oh, and don't scrimp on the guarantees either.

Otherwise, should all be fine.

Ty
+1 to all this.

but yes they did make some good changes to tcoop iirc
02-15-2016 , 05:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeGoLeafsGoLeah
For those of us who play pretty much every event for 15 days in a row; having the last event of each day be at least somewhat of a faster structure goes a VERY long way.
Otherwise days can easily end up being 12+hrs; 15 days in a row is way too much like work!
Variable level events will help but others (Turbo, Zoom, 10min levels) would be appreciated as well.
I understand the Turbo series was in January; just looking for a bit of a break to avoid super longs days other then punting.
ehh scoop has always been about playing a well structured tournament regardless of the buy in. We already have tcoop which is sweet for what it is.
02-15-2016 , 05:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by danish7
please reduce psko and sko and add more normal freezeouts or rebuys
remember when KOs weren't raked? Could just go back to that and it would be fine.
02-15-2016 , 11:28 AM
Great post by raidalot! Huge +1 to everything, imo any PSKO in addition to TT is already too much.

Also what I hope would not be missed:
- 4 events every Sunday starting with 1k kickoff first day (2k kickoff on the last day ?) ! This was a huge success in SCOOP 2015 and was not introduced in WCOOP 2015
- relatively smaller % of 9-max tournaments compared to previous years - more 6 & 8-max
- Saturdays could be as big as Sundays
02-15-2016 , 11:42 AM
I love bounty tournaments, but as I wrote last year, bounty tournaments corrupt the intentions in Championship events.

What's more important, winning the championship or earning the bounty on that guys head? Often times you are put in really ****ty positions because of the supposed Prestige of the SCOOP. These tournaments will often offer you spots where you must lower your win percentage to raise your profit.

I know you'll have PSKO events, but you really need to consider how important Prestige is to the SCOOP.
02-15-2016 , 01:33 PM
+1 to all that DoGGz said.

Even more than the NLHE's, the PLO PSKO's are really unplayable... I even skip the 82$ on Sundays happily, despite prefering PLO over NLHE.
02-15-2016 , 01:51 PM
the less PKO's the better for me too

Last edited by Asjbaaaf; 02-15-2016 at 01:51 PM. Reason: all formats
02-15-2016 , 05:40 PM
i dont mind couple of PSKO SCOOP Events (NO 75% ones)

raidalot said the most important stuff though. Make sundays huge NL festivals, thats what people want!
02-15-2016 , 06:32 PM
inb4 ultraKO main event
02-15-2016 , 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by travisohc
(NO 75% ones)
+1

      
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