4 Max is amazing!
One more thing to add, sorry for making so many posts too. A cubed and rebuy FO slow (normal structure event) is lacking from the schedule and usually receive a decent amount of attention

Rebuy

L : $11
M : $109
H : $1050

Cubed

L : $27
M : $215
H : $2100

About the not so many turbo subject.. Please do take a lot of them away like you did in the end last year, which was great! But change 1 turbo into a speedown, which starts out fast and slows down gradually... those are great and attract a lot of players!

Exactly the same feedback last year btw


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...hread-1421011/

Move 4max to a different day!

One very last thing! Make sure the 4 max doesn't start at an as outrageous time as last year!!!!

FYP


less special editions on sunday. there's enough liquidity for double vision sundays, there's enough for scoops not taking over sunday warm-up, million. better saturdays. something for the off-peak/aussie time (wednesday 100k). big weekend, slow structure, deep stack flighted tournament (like a live tournament!)

n-stack seems a bit silly, especially to spring on everyone unannounced. seems just like the old token tournies on FTP and those always seemed silly and pointless to me.

no 3 max, seat shuffling will make too many hands HU

you could do a 1/11/109 or even 2/27/215 phase tourny every day and add the final to the last day......

i think it would be hugely popular.....

I don't see any harm in running a single phase event. Like the above poster suggests, an $11/$109/$1050 event with day 2 running towards the end of the schedule (the final saturday would be great) seems certain to be popular.

No idea why there are even any turbos in SCOOP. Maybe a single wrap-up event, but surely there's no place for any others.

As everyone else says, Saturdays need to be bigger. There ought to be a huge NLHE FO event each Saturday at peak time.

Generally I'd love to see fewer gimmicks and more standard full-ring / 6max freezeouts for the major series.

for now will just point that we have 9/45 events ( 20% ! ) new turbos, while having 0/45 new regspeed fullring and only 5/45 events regular tournies in traditional timeslots ( 3x SM & 2x ST )

this means that all the turbos in the regular schedule still run, along with the scoop ones, while regspeeds get replaced, creating more of a tcoop feel for the series than a scoop.

other than that, agree with the trend here.

saturdays need more love, 2day event is a must, ftops had it since forever and its a great tourney, prestigious one. saturdays are the perfect slot for it.
good old standard NLH FR is really underrated this edition.
rebuys action hour was a good format, probably needed a little tweaking so we don`t play so deep after add-on but you don`t need to get rid of it.
you need to get at least a NLH standard rebuy and a standard KO/SKO in. maybe more 6max and cubeds as well.
we don`t really want ante-up. i dont understand how you can still have the ante`up but get rid of the rebuys.
3max is a no go. one 4-max is enough. shootout tournies are fine, 3 are enough, but the days are poorly chosen.

phase tournies could def be huge. stars.fr, winamax, ftp, they all run them successfully in their series. different number of day ones for different buyin levels sounds good as another poster suggested.

tuesdays / thursdays ( highroller days ) are really boring from the NLH grinder`s pov. we don`t get anything NEW to play, except a 100fo/pko. they can definetely grow.

year after year, you ask us what we think, we always have the same answer, nothing much happens really. year after year schedule becomes poorer, even if knowledge/experience should be bigger.

i agree that turbos and pskos are the most popular format at the moment (especially for recs), and also they are best for the poker economy in the longterm, but coincidentally they are also the most profitable for PS in terms of rake. that being said, this should still be the most prestigious series, and the best players should have the better chance at winning tourneys, so less gamble would be ideal.

personally i would get rid of all the turbos in the schedule, and make the 4th event each day starting 1-2h after event 3 of each day, a turbo. name it SCOOP Wrap-up Turbo Event #x, don`t make it a part of the leaderboard or give a bracelet for it. scoop should stay classy. this surely won`t happen this year but have it in mind for the next.


cliffs:
-saturdays need improvement, 2day NLH event would fit perfectly
-tuesdays/thursdays needs improvement
-phase tournies are a go
-3 max tournies are a no go
-shootouts are enough, maybe too many
-more good old traditional formats !!
-less / no turbos !!!!!

but i anticipate that you`re gonna get rid of some turbos and give us the 2day event ( which is already on the schedule somewhere, but you didn`t post it yet so you change something after the talks, so we can`t bitch about it anymore ) . around 0.1% of the great ideas from this kind of threads is actually considered @ isle of man and its a pity really.

I see 4 Omaha h/l tourneys in the schedule, FL, PL, NL and PL 5 card. Could one of them be a Prog SKO.

And also maybe one of the PLO make it PSKO

good post

+1 to making the FLO8's 10-max

+1 pretty much what pads,2012 and ignorant already mentioned

less turbos, more poker!

+1 to action hour, but please put it on a day besides monday. This should be a Friday event.

action hour is stupid

dont put 4m late on saturday especially not before the biggest sunday of the year (no one's going to want to stay up late to play that). no need for a 3m with that (4m is already somewhat fun as a novelty but 3m would be too much)

shootout is represented fine but it shouldn't be on a saturday

n-stack sounds real dumb

a 200/2k/21k highroller 8max 2 day (say starting that first saturday, could be one of the sundays too) would be AMAZING. there's a 10k 8m during wcoop with reentry and everyone knows scoop is much bigger in terms of buyins/prestige so having a big online hr would fit perfectly with what you guys are trying to do with it

i'd say reduce the turbos but we know you guys will never listen, it's just too much of a money-making machine

So it looks like the Sundays are the only days where I (and most other people I'd assume) will play all 3 events, at either level or all of them, which seems a little weak

Could there not be a better spot for the NL 5card Draw?
Tuesday, May 12th

11:00 -- SCOOP-07-L: $27 NL 5-Card Draw
11:00 -- SCOOP-07-M: $215 NL 5-Card Draw
11:00 -- SCOOP-07-H: $2,100 NL 5-Card Draw

14:00 -- SCOOP-08-L: $11 NL Hold'em
14:00 -- SCOOP-08-M: $109 NL Hold'em
14:00 -- SCOOP-08-H: $1,050 NL Hold'em (Super Tuesday Special Edition)

17:00 -- SCOOP-09-L: $7.50 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Turbo, Ultra-Deep]
17:00 -- SCOOP-09-M: $82 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Turbo, Ultra-Deep]
17:00 -- SCOOP-09-H: $700 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Turbo, Ultra-Deep]

Seems a little random to place that event there, maybe would be better suited paired up with another mix game variant. Another NLHE at that buyin level would be good and make it a great NLHE grinding day

Any chance of swapping event 15 and 16? I'm sure mix game players would like having two Omaha events to play, while Thursday Thrill players (everyone) would love another NLHE following it to jump in

Thursday, May 14th

11:00 -- SCOOP-13-L: $27 NL Single Draw 2-7
11:00 -- SCOOP-13-M: $215 NL Single Draw 2-7
11:00 -- SCOOP-13-H: $2,100 NL Single Draw 2-7

14:00 -- SCOOP-14-L: $11 NL Hold'em [Progressive Super-Knockout]
14:00 -- SCOOP-14-M: $109 NL Hold'em [Progressive Super-Knockout]
14:00 -- SCOOP-14-H: $1,050 NL Hold'em [Progressive Super-Knockout] (Thursday Thrill Special Edition)

17:00 -- SCOOP-15-L: $27 PL Omaha [Heads-Up]
17:00 -- SCOOP-15-M: $215 PL Omaha [Heads-Up]
17:00 -- SCOOP-15-H: $2,100 PL Omaha [Heads-Up]


Friday, May 15th

11:00 -- SCOOP-16-L: $11 NL Hold'em [Big Antes, Rebuys]
11:00 -- SCOOP-16-M: $109 NL Hold'em [Big Antes, Rebuys]
11:00 -- SCOOP-16-H: $1,050 NL Hold'em [Big Antes, Rebuys]

14:00 -- SCOOP-17-L: $27 FL Omaha Hi/Lo [10-Max]
14:00 -- SCOOP-17-M: $215 FL Omaha Hi/Lo [10-Max]
14:00 -- SCOOP-17-H: $2,100 FL Omaha Hi/Lo [10-Max]

17:00 -- SCOOP-18-L: $27 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Turbo, Progressive Super-Knockout]
17:00 -- SCOOP-18-M: $215 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Turbo, Progressive Super-Knockout]
17:00 -- SCOOP-18-H: $2,100 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Turbo, Progressive Super-Knockout]

Not a single standard NLHE variant on the last Saturday? You have some good MTTs on Saturday that could be scooped such as
L: 22 Sat 6max
M: $215 Sat 6max
H: $2,100 Sat 6max

Also a $33/$320/$3k 2 day MTT here please, move the 4max to a weekday in its place. Replace the SKO if you feel

Saturday, May 23rd

11:00 -- SCOOP-40-L: $55 PL Omaha [6-Max, n-Stack]
11:00 -- SCOOP-40-M: $530 PL Omaha [6-Max, n-Stack]
11:00 -- SCOOP-40-H: $5,200 PL Omaha [6-Max, n-Stack]

14:00 -- SCOOP-41-L: $215 NL Hold'em [Heads-Up, High-Roller]
14:00 -- SCOOP-41-M: $2,100 NL Hold'em [Heads-Up, High-Roller]
14:00 -- SCOOP-41-H: $21,000 NL Hold'em [Heads-Up, High-Roller]

17:00 -- SCOOP-42-L: $27 NL Hold'em [4-Max]
17:00 -- SCOOP-42-M: $215 NL Hold'em [4-Max]
17:00 -- SCOOP-42-H: $2,100 NL Hold'em [4-Max]

Why change the Warm-Up to 6-max on both Sundays? Can you change one of them (preferably the 1st one) back to full ring please?

Sunday, May 10th

11:00 -- SCOOP-01-L: $27 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Progressive Super-Knockout]
11:00 -- SCOOP-01-M: $215 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Progressive Super-Knockout] (Sunday Warm-Up Special Edition)
11:00 -- SCOOP-01-H: $2,100 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Progressive Super-Knockout

Sunday, May 17th

11:00 -- SCOOP-22-L: $27 NL Hold'em [6-Max]
11:00 -- SCOOP-22-M: $215 NL Hold'em [6-Max] (Sunday Warm-Up Special Edition)
11:00 -- SCOOP-22-H: $2,100 NL Hold'em [6-Max]

first of all, theres way too many PSKOs and turbos. having the thursday thrill special events now, i think you should change some other PSKO tourneys to normal ones. for example theres only one 6-max NLHE event that isnt turbo, PSKO (or a shoot out) which is pretty meh for the most prestigious tournament series. other than that:

- i think saturdays could be much bigger and events like 4 max and shoot out are better suited for weekdays. a 2day NLHE event would do great for example.

- i really dislike the ante up format and it seems im not the only one. that event always gets a very poor turnout, while even having a lower buy in than almost all other events.

- i think the n-stack thing is unnecessary, there will be a bunch of people who shy away from regging because they dont know it etc.

- as mentioned before and last year, the timeslot for the 4max is really bad. there shouldnt be a late regspeed NLHE tourney running on a saturday (and please dont take this as advice to make it turbo :P)

- the 6max action hour event had reasonable turnout and AH is also somewhat succesful in the regular tournament schedule (especially compared to something like ante up). the structure just needed a little tweaking, no need to get completely rid of it imo.

- given how few PLO tournaments there are, i think having 2 of them as turbo is a bit too much. i really dislike the 11/109/1k rebuy turbo personally, especially since its on a sunday where a lot of MTT players dont really want to play anything other than NLHE.

- the NLHE/PLO mix was a fun tourney that served a great purpose: encouraging more NLHE players to try out/play some PLO. given that PLO is the second most popular form of poker by far, i think cutting this event is a big mistake.

heavily disagree with this, the 6max warmups are always a great success and there is more than enough big full ring tourneys running on a scoop sunday.

Would love to see a triple stud replace a NLHE or something!

Think I clicked the wrong link this looks 100% like TCOOP, somebody help me out?

TPSKOCOOP imo

I know this has so little to do with the SCOOP, but can we expect in the near future that PokerStars will make helping programs as PokerTracker and HoldemManager illegal? Imo the fun in the game is becoming lower and lower because of these programs.

I remember playing back in 09-10 without knowing anything about programs, and it was so much more fun, so please PokerStars, is this something you will consider??

Sabr

Few thoughts, just having looked at the schedule and haven't read the comments yet:

1) I think it is about time we got a super high stakes HUPLO type tournament. The HUNL guys get a 21k, which always gets 32 players, and at the moment there is more action at high stakes HUPLO than in NL anyway. Something like a 15k-30k HU PLO event would be a pretty great success imo, at least on the level of the hunl one. I think the WSOP has realized this year the market for high stakes plo tournaments, and would love to see a big HU one on stars.

2) Too many gimmicky NL tournaments. I don't know anyone at all who prefers a progressive super knockout to a regular tournament. I don't mind these sprinkled in, but they should not be occupying any major slots.

3) Knockouts should always be later in the day. These are tournaments you really can't late reg, so for allowing players a more compact schedule, it makes sense to let players late reg the early events.

4) Would prefer less turbos, but don't mind them so much as long as they are late in the day.

5) As always I'd prefer to see more 6m PLO events, but I can understand why there aren't so many.

If you give this schedule some second thought you can see that there is very little extra normal NL holdem freeze outs. Like most are on sundays, but replace the majors.

Also way too many progressive KOs! I know they are considered fun for recreational players, but there is just too many of them compared to normal freeze outs or rebuys and this gives the impression that your focus is too heavy towards rake generation and not thinking about the regs and about the prestige of the series. You know how that greedy approach worked out with the rake changes last year, right?

Third the number of turbos is too big. I prefer to have little to no turbos and only at the end of the schedule if deemed necessary. You already had a turbo series and I like the next serie to be somewhat more deepstacked play.

Thanks for taking my points into consideration!

1. Should try a 3 max tourney imo but on a mid week day with not much holdem events to overlap.

2. Definitely put out a phase scoop tourney, could get massive prizepools in all 3 buy ins. Just make sure filters don't hide them from everyone as they are mtts.

3. I'd say 3 are fine, don't want anymore but people do like them.

Bryan if insolent some considerable time making a proposed schedule would you be 1% open to useing it?