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05-25-2015 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mashxx
Fair point about the travel, I obviously thought of that but I think twice a year still would be pullable for most people. I think Stars wants to keep the prestige of it, no one cares about FTOPS anymore (aside from ftp beind dead). Plus it'd be hard to put it somewhere in the schedule without overshadowing other series. You can't put it between SCOOP and WCOOP for obvious reasons (summer) and in the winter hmm, I think it would be hard and wouldn't feel so special anymore. And then you'd have two of those within half a year.

Without a WCOOP though there would be obviously easily space for another SCOOP. Thus maybe transforming WCOOP into SCOOP formula eventually would be a good idea? Hard to predict. I would like it, because my lifetime abi is $25 and I play $109 every now and then and $215s in big series mostly (apart from occasionally sattied in SMs). Would HS crushers hate it? Hard to see them being impacted seeing how huge H events were. Stars would probably also like it for huge fields on all levels (+regular tournaments at similar stakes).
Bolded area is a great idea and something stars should definitely consider!
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05-25-2015 , 06:36 PM
yea i don't think we need another series but wcoop needs bigger buyins. that's a battle for another day though
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05-25-2015 , 07:05 PM
What the WCOOP actually needs is just more events per day. If they leave WCOOP as non-teired, then there really isn't any reason they can't run 4 events per day. 8 11 14 17ET give everyone something to play.
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05-25-2015 , 07:18 PM
winter scoopppp pls.

everything else sucks in comparison
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05-25-2015 , 07:43 PM
Now that Bryan is working on COOPs full time, it would be cool if we could have preview events for WCOOP/TCOOP/SCOOP 1-2 times a month.

A designated slot for NLHoldem on Sundays and a non-Holdem slot for Saturdays would blend into a player's schedules. This would give him and his team a better feel for what is more popular than randomly adding gimmicky tournaments without player feedback.

To encourage feedback, players that player/make the final x% are eligible to submit a survey on the tournament and they get refunded their rake.
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05-25-2015 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
What the WCOOP actually needs is just more events per day. If they leave WCOOP as non-teired, then there really isn't any reason they can't run 4 events per day. 8 11 14 17ET give everyone something to play.
sure but it needs big buyins too having just one 215 a day is pretty meh. wcoop is pretty worthless compared to scoop right now
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05-25-2015 , 08:49 PM
I enjoyed scoop Was great having some deep stacked tournament poker,like others have sed it's a shame have to wait a whole year for another decent series with buy ins $20 - $109 when u run micro millions why not have a midstakes millions running alongside it with 5x the buy with the same structured 1 day events then would keep the orginality of scoop with the 2 day events?
Just seems unfair micro players get mutiple series per year?
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05-25-2015 , 10:52 PM
"Winter Freeze-Out Days" would be nice
With something along the lines of a 109$ regspeed freeze-out Event with a nice guarantee, followed by a 55$ turbo an hour later, and a 22$ hyper another hour later.
And for PLO Hi, NLO8 or PLO8, and HORSE or 8-Game - one of each - buy-ins of roughly 55$, 27$, and 11$.
NLHE and Mixed on Friday, NLHE and PLO Hi on Saturday, and NLHE and Omaha8 events on Sundays.
Friday NLHE's as 2day events that continue on Sunday, and all others with 12 min blinds as ~10-12 hour/1-day events.
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05-25-2015 , 11:14 PM
oh and something i forgot to mention:

while i think there have been some improvements in terms of PLO events compared to last year (most importantly the 1k rebuy being non-turbo and everything being 6max), i think running a PLO zoom event on a sunday is very sub-optimal. switching it with something like the 27/215/2k reentry wouldve been much better imo. on a sunday night it just take a bit too much focus/theres too many other good events running.
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05-25-2015 , 11:17 PM
^^Big +1
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05-26-2015 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Shane Gamble
just not enough NLHE on the schedule. I understand its a championship series and all game-types need to be represented (all for it) but NLHE still drives tournament poker even if its mostly dead in the online cash game format.

Having only one day a week (sunday) where there would be more than 1 NLHE tournament really sucked and made grinding usually centered around that one tournament (often just 1-2 tabling bc if you busted the scoops the rest of the schedule was meh). A day like Tuesday with a marquee event like the Super Tuesday should have two NLHE events, maybe do that on Thursday as well (or even better Saturday, but we know Stars' policy for whatever reason is to always make Saturday as terrible as possible during COOPs so not even gonna hope for that. That's just beating our head against a brick wall.)

also +1 to all the suggestions about more vanilla---look how bad the 3-stack and 6-max variable levels whatever nonsense did in comparison to regular tourneys. Recreationals don't like them which puts numbers down and then regs are like "welp I'll use this as a day off." Just make tournaments normal.

also given how good EPT HRs and everything are now, it's pretty clear the big-buyin market for NLHE is booming. Having a 2 day 200/215/21k 8-max NLHE tournament next year on the first Saturday or whatever would be amazing.
This.

There should be more than 1 NL Hold Em event most days imo.
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05-26-2015 , 12:57 AM
What about a Warm-up week? One Sunday Warm-up each day for a week!
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05-26-2015 , 01:04 AM
And just call it the Big215 or something.
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05-26-2015 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DB21
What was up with the scheduling of the 215 deadline sat to the 1k wrap up? Ran past late reg, really should have started 30mins earlier.
Every tourney had ****ed up satty scheduling, a lot of the mixed game highs had the first 3x turbo sat of the day ending late reg after the target tourney fired

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05-26-2015 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by broken_jia
Now that Bryan is working on COOPs full time, it would be cool if we could have preview events for WCOOP/TCOOP/SCOOP 1-2 times a month.

A designated slot for NLHoldem on Sundays and a non-Holdem slot for Saturdays would blend into a player's schedules. This would give him and his team a better feel for what is more popular than randomly adding gimmicky tournaments without player feedback.

To encourage feedback, players that player/make the final x% are eligible to submit a survey on the tournament and they get refunded their rake.
This is a good idea.
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05-26-2015 , 08:04 AM
Just thought of the following. WCOOP has events starting at 12:00 CET, why doesn't SCOOP have this?
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05-26-2015 , 08:13 AM
My biggest gripe as a semi-rec is the lack of consistency in timing of NLHE events (i don't play other games). I took a week off work for the 2nd week of SCOOP and as a European I tried to adjust my sleep pattern to best benefit playing the nlhe events but it was just all over the place. One day you have a 4pm GMT medium finishing after 10 hours (215r 1r1a) and the next you have the 2k HU starting later and finishing at god knows what time (lucky I busted 1st round). The worst of all (as with any big online event on stars) is the start time of the main event. SM, ST, MM main, SCOOP main etc, all start far too late for anyone other than west coast Canadians IMO. Take out the fact that a lot of us have work the next day, even as a UK pro I'd hate to be consistently grinding this time schedule, it'd really mess up a lot of other areas of your life (I tried it when I was at uni).

Maybe I'm just speaking for me but I'd much rather wake up at 1pm and grind a big tourney from 3pm-3am than 7-7am.
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05-26-2015 , 08:49 AM
Some great feedback and suggestions in this thread.

I really wish we had a little bit more exciting stuff in between the two major series SCOOP and WCOOP. The WCOOP challenge was a great addition. Don't see the reason why it can't run a bit more often. What about a SCOOP challenge? Just one weekend full of tiered events in the 08, 11, 14 and 17 ET slots, giving everyone a chance to play what they want? Mainly vanilla NLHE, and run it a few times a year, would be awesome. Wouldn't mind the 06:00 ET slot either, but 5 events a day might be pushing it, I don't know.

I was basically just playing the weekends this SCOOP because of work, and that the early slot in weekdays was always occupied by non-NLHE niche events. The only way I could play more would be to adjust my sleeping schedule and take time off from work, which was not an option. But one weekend once in a while is much more doable.
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05-26-2015 , 10:21 AM
Stars run wcoop challenge few times a year. What about switch with scoop challenge? One time wcoop, next time scoop.
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05-26-2015 , 10:42 AM
Agree with many of the folks here. Need more normal non-gimmick NLHE events. The timing of the events is way too North-America centric (and I say this as a North American who is returning there shortly). I'm in Europe right now and this series was way more brutal than it should have been simply because it required such massive shift out of a normal sleep schedule.

The last SCOOP event every day would start here at 11pm CET. That is just downright crazy. I was frequently up til 7-8am. How could a recreational player even play any of these if they've got work the next day or any type of normal life schedule?

Also like the idea of a tiered WCOOP, I'm sure the big time guys don't care but to me it seems like a no brainer both for attracting recreational players and allowing more of us little guys to participate.

Loved the abundance of satellites in general but wish there were more non-deadline and non-3x-turbo offerings. If Stars doesn't offer more satellites in advance because it's an issue of people grinding the sats and then not playing the target events, why not just make it so the first seat you win is a must play? I think they recently did this for FPP sats and it seems like a good idea for series sats if the ultimate goal of having satellites is to increase participation in the target events.
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05-26-2015 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Shane Gamble
sure but it needs big buyins too having just one 215 a day is pretty meh. wcoop is pretty worthless compared to scoop right now
Of course this is your perspective as a HS crusher. Many of us regs want $215 fields that are within our means to play. There is 0 value to me in a $2k event because I don't play it.

Adding more events gives Stars the room to have more buyin flexibility.
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05-26-2015 , 12:23 PM
+1

I think those who permanently ask for bigger buy-ins on here are like AIDS for the poker-economy, but too shortsighted or simply too stupid to grasp that.
+99% of those wannabe ballers who want more 4 figure buy-ins cannot afford to play them on their own. Actually, even +95% of them are in a backing deal, plus selling seperate shares for often ridiculous mark-ups of +10% for the 2K SCOOP's.

Those sucker's greed and shortsighted stupidity is bad for poker in the global galactic sense, since it won't take too long until you have nearly noone, except those incestous herd of horses of 2-3 different backing groups playing each other in 2k+ events, with the only guys making profits being those who ran hot the last months and can take the most mark-up for their shares, of unkowing idiots, just as we see it in all the live highrollers already.

I personally can't wait for WCOOP and their countless 215$ and 320$'s, and have been happy about late-reg not working for the 2k PLO SCOOP and others, since MTT Poker has nothing to do with highstakes cash-regs and other poo-flinging monkeys late-registering 4 hours into an MTT, then flipping for a stack 2-3 times. IDGAF about added equity of this, since gameplay gets destroyed by it.

Last edited by TooRareToDie; 05-26-2015 at 12:30 PM.
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05-26-2015 , 02:56 PM
As most here, I feel like scoop was nice and big obviously, but not even half of what it could have been with better scheduling, sats, etc and i agree with most points raised here.
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05-26-2015 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TooRareToDie
+1

I think those who permanently ask for bigger buy-ins on here are like AIDS for the poker-economy, but too shortsighted or simply too stupid to grasp that.
+99% of those wannabe ballers who want more 4 figure buy-ins cannot afford to play them on their own. Actually, even +95% of them are in a backing deal, plus selling seperate shares for often ridiculous mark-ups of +10% for the 2K SCOOP's.

Those sucker's greed and shortsighted stupidity is bad for poker in the global galactic sense, since it won't take too long until you have nearly noone, except those incestous herd of horses of 2-3 different backing groups playing each other in 2k+ events, with the only guys making profits being those who ran hot the last months and can take the most mark-up for their shares, of unkowing idiots, just as we see it in all the live highrollers already.

I personally can't wait for WCOOP and their countless 215$ and 320$'s, and have been happy about late-reg not working for the 2k PLO SCOOP and others, since MTT Poker has nothing to do with highstakes cash-regs and other poo-flinging monkeys late-registering 4 hours into an MTT, then flipping for a stack 2-3 times. IDGAF about added equity of this, since gameplay gets destroyed by it.
Sorry but this just sounds super dumb bro
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05-26-2015 , 03:36 PM
^^So far, only the lack of explanation of your opinion is super dumb here.
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