brevity is the soul of wit

Which thread?


There is no difference in floating when being stuck or being up. It is still the same thing, when the horse replaces the used money. That's as clear as mud. Also I don't give a single **** about other backers opinions, I only care about what a fair a solution would be (two polar opposites, in this case).
And that's not what the backer ITT has delusionally decided to do, after 10 of his Skype friends told him to (laughable try for of an argument).
OP is a 22yo kid who somehow fell into a bunch of money, and likely had to google what ethics even means, when I confronted him with his brashly impertinent and faulty line of thought here.

Not a single person ITT has said that 50/50 on everything above mark-up would be correct, and anyone who might think so isn't worth the air that he is breathing, imfo.

TRTD

dont ever change

Please somebody ban this guy already I m getting eye cancer

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23.../index231.html

start reading there I guess TRTD.

could you please refrain from using the weird death analogy's. telling people they should die or don't deserve to breathe or should kill themself... just not funny and adds nothing

just think man, what money is he using to pay this back? interest free money his backer has given him to pay his bills!!

Horse gets to gambooooooool for free, maybe bink and claim he was gonna pay it back(get to keep profits) or lose and cover his float with the guy he was floatings own money in the form of a loan he is meant to use for freaking bills. if you can't see how wrong that is im not sure what more i can say

Still doesnt make any sense
Horse knew he cannot play without backers permission and still got backed
if he didnt want to follow rules he could have denied or got another backer

He used the backers money whether he plans to pay it back or not is irrelevant and is out right stealing even if its just 30$ or 3 cents

He should just pay the MU chop the profit and be kicked out

I really dont see how the backer is a scammer here?

Its his stable his rules take it or leave it.

Not stealing, if the rest of his current online-roll was enough for as many buy-ins as he needs to generate enough fpp to make up for the "stolen" funds with MTT-tickets, before needing a reload.

Broken rules of contract and not using funds = yes, hence horse must pay all make-up

Any risk or lost "interest" for the backer = practically likely not, given the amount, hence why backer should get very few or non of the make-up exceeding profits, since each % is factually a freeroll for him.

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Just imagine it clearly and detailed, the backer has a permanent 20% freeroll with zero potentional risk or loss here, with these tiny amounts that the stakee mistreated. (and the stakee could bet sports or whatever instead, which would have the same possibly bad effect on his mood, but would not have earned the backer anything for free...)

It's just a theoretical loss of "interest" of that money for the backer. But in practice, the money would most likely have stayed in the horse's account without any interest. I'd suppose the amount was too small/quickly replaced by fpp to make the horse miss MTT's of his schedule.
But if the horse was actually on a supershort roll online at that time, and exclusively grinding micros, I could see that 20-30$ less in his account could cause him to play less in one session, aka lost "interest" for the backer, though. That'd be a reason for a 20% fine, I guess.



I really try to stop posting ITT now, but if I do, It'll be non-offensive.

Edit:
If I again post ITT after this one, I will donate 30$ to a charity of OP's choice, or his horse. Yet unsure

+100

fk the haterz trtd

TooRareToDie,

You are the only logical one here. You are the end all be all. Everyone else is irrational and uninformed. I am suuuuper thankful for your contributions to this thread. I was suuuuper bummed when you said "I'm done here." but was suuuuper stoked to read your 6 posts following. And my head definitely does not hurt from reading your posts.

only read op. you give the answer urself, he clearly has to tell u before hand about anything hes playing on his own.

if not, hes on a freeroll the whole time..

and how do i block toodaretoodie ?

Here ya go, saved yo life bro

wow this is awesome tyvm

Hello, didn't even know there was also this post
I'm the "scammer"
As i went trough, didn't find repostede my previous response so i'll just quote them here

He told you in Skype multiple times and wrote here that he NEVER let anyone play SPINS... You can see it as promotion all you want, but you were not allowed to play it. Also, you accused Pant of not being able to take care of his business when you said he probably forgot what he said because he had 50 people. Is that a way to treat a guy who helped you, and the guy you apparently say to respect? You have no respect towards anyone. You were a scammer, stayed a scammer and will always be a scammer in my eyes and in everybody else eyes obviously. Just look at the responses in the other thread offs, everyone is calling you a thief and a scammer, and it is not even close. Guy from Latvia who can even be subjective on this matter calls you a scammer. Everyone is calling you a scammer but you and that drama guy in the other thread. And of course, I want 100% of the money now, because you were lying and because you wasted so much of my time. You thought you would freeroll a shot for 50%? Nope, now you are losing the other 50% as well which you have no legitimate right to anyways. Take care.

Wtf is even that sentence about accusation, lol
Everyone is a human and can forget things

But basically, i got permission to play those games, at any point you didn't say i can't play them, but now you want the money, not 50% but obviously 100% because you want so also offending and threatening me nonstop, but i'm the thief and scammer, sounds legit

Yes, but he would definitely remember you being the only one he allowed to play them, right? How desperate do you have to be to play that card ffs?
I am not offending you, I am just going with the public opinion that you are a thief and scammer. Read the posts in the thread and see the public opinion. Everyone except for TRTD thinks you are thief and scammer and many even called you out in public. Pretty clear scam is pretty clear like one guy wrote...
And wtf is that about I didn't say you can't play them? Your contract clearly says so, thief

lol too rare to die

insane often???

I remember what i asked him and what he replayed. In contract black on white "Backee may not enter any online Sit & Go or Multi table poker tournament with his or anyone else's funds unless given explict permission to do so by Backers in writing or via electronic communication."
As you bought me, all the rules stayed the same. Did you say anything that i'm no longer allowed to play them? No

He never allowed you nor anyone else to play Spins and go, Nils! How long are you gonna keep playing stupid? Show the proof of that or send me 6.5k more pls. We both know you cannot prove it. And Pant clearly stated this, and obviously me and everyone else will trust him more than a guy who stole from his previous stable and is trying to steal from his current stable as well. Rules stayed the same. Exactly. You were not allowed to play them? Correct. You had no right to play them now? Correct. Money is mine? Correct. Don't bother responding without any proofs. You can argue about your 2750 maybe after you send me the remaining of those 3.7k you need to send more. Take care

So based on this at what point i owe you money, and based on what from that out of the stake game for my own funds what i was allowed to play. Cutting out your bs what you think i'm trying to rip you off. Kinda don't see that, i have repaid all my mu to you. End of story.

What part of "unless given explicit permission" do you not understand? LOL

OT: He sent me all his makeup now, so I only need him to send me 2750 more. At least some improvement after 2 weeks...

Woohoo does it say in the contract what will happen if he plays games hes not given permission to play? From what i read it says hes not alloud to play without permission which he cleary did and was in the wrong for. What are the consequence's of this in the contract?

Im not siding with the player here he was clearly in the wrong to play the spin, but i dont think you should be able to say 100% is mine if that wasnt in the contract and i think you both need to compromise here.

Basically, I was gonna accept 50% from the start, and I even offered him 500$ not to take this to 2+2 to save me some time, but he wanted this. He actually thought somebody will say he is in the right here. So far it's like 50:0 and he is still not sending. It is common to split 50-50, and I never wanted 100% but I feel like I should get a certain amount back for wasting my time for nothing basically. If there was at least 2 persons supporting him, I would be feeling perfectly good about all this, but this way it is obvious he is just wasting my time for nothing...