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Old 07-15-2015, 06:55 PM   #76
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Re: Scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

sad/surprising to see as these always tend to be...

Only thing that I'm kind of laughing at is: "goodbye poker career" and other messages of that ilk. He'll be back at an EPT sooner rather than later. Remind me of the last time someone who's considered "good at poker" scammed/cheated/stole and didn't find a way back into the game?

I'll wait.
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Old 07-15-2015, 07:10 PM   #77
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sad/surprising to see as these always tend to be...

Only thing that I'm kind of laughing at is: "goodbye poker career" and other messages of that ilk. He'll be back at an EPT sooner rather than later. Remind me of the last time someone who's considered "good at poker" scammed/cheated/stole and didn't find a way back into the game?

I'll wait.
Ding ding ding
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Old 07-15-2015, 07:16 PM   #78
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Old 07-15-2015, 07:43 PM   #79
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What sad lives these poker degens lead.
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Old 07-15-2015, 07:59 PM   #80
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Just putting here that Ben refunded me--for the events he owed from his package and also for my equity in the $5K Venetian debacle.
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:04 PM   #81
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Re: Scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

Judging by those backing this guy, he had a sizable network and his game was well respected. Thus the story has legs.

But the desperate path he took shouldn't be a shock to any. This scenario unfolds at a much greater frequency albeit for less money at lower mid stakes. The % of players that would steal from their family, friends and peers is greater than what is commonly believed.

Most humans cannot think rationally when broke or in a bind.
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:58 PM   #82
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Re: Scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

man why are a bunch of UK guys scamming now, WE DONT EVEN PAY TAXES
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Old 07-15-2015, 09:02 PM   #83
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Re: Scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

In the poker world this is "scummy". In the real world it's criminal.
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Old 07-15-2015, 09:35 PM   #84
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

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After continuously running bad I really didnt envisage what could have happened should i have built a stack in the tournament, I did not throw my chips away while at the same time in the back of my mind i was aware i would have serious problems if i went on to cash big. Its all extremely pathetic im well aware. I went down pretty low on chips and managed to build up stack again and busted after dinner. None of the hands i played were anything different to how i would have played in a tournament where i had 100% of my own action.
Come on, it's good that you came clean about what happened but this is a load of BS. Even if it wasn't you definitely shouldn't say it because it just makes you look like an even bigger ass than you already do.
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Old 07-15-2015, 09:59 PM   #85
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No...pay everyone back DOUBLE. The investors had NO SHOT, since he was tanking the event, even if it was a subconscious tanking. It wasn't 100 percent that he would get caught, either. When people rob banks they have to do more than just hand the money back.

This is also a criminal offense, and possibly a felony.
double is just a random amt. it's hard to quantify what he owes to people past their actual investment. the additional punishment in this case is that he no longer has anyones trust and can't sell action/is looked at as a scumbag/and I would assume will get fired from whatever coaching site he is a coach at.
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Old 07-15-2015, 11:52 PM   #86
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double is just a random amt. it's hard to quantify what he owes to people past their actual investment.
how about a 25% markup on the repayment
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Old 07-16-2015, 01:59 AM   #87
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Re: Scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

I refuse to believe that after so many years in the poker world that this is the first time he's ever scammed anyone . It clearly shows he has the means to pay people back , hence why I don't believe this was just a "mistake" based on him gambling away his money. Premeditated with intent to steal money from investors. Time to go back and look at all the packages this guy posted. BTW do yourself a favor and don't use the word "mistake" when trying to defend your actions.
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Old 07-16-2015, 03:25 AM   #88
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How does everyone have such a bad moneymanagement

uhhhhhh. Aren't you the guy who uses his mums account so he could play underaged and played in stars online women's events?

and this


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What sad lives these poker degens lead.
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Old 07-16-2015, 05:18 AM   #89
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Re: Scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

I'm quite sad to read this. I quite liked Ben's strat vid's on TPE, and thought he was one of the better coaches there. He always presented them well and came across to me as a pro who knew what he was doing in poker and was doing well (enough) from it.

If such a desperate attempt to deceive the people who trusted him was an act completely out of character then his state of mind must have been something the equivalent of full-blown monkey tilt. It's hard to process.
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:08 AM   #90
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what does underage have to do with bad money management lol
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:25 AM   #91
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Re: Scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

Not sure what would have happened with a swap in this case. But he basically free rolled it?

Depending what people think swaps should also be paid for their % and a mark up imo.

I understand that if Pistons or someone else cashed they obviously wouldn't have to pay at this point but having it swapped is definitely a loss since they could have swapped with someone else or sold that %.
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:40 AM   #92
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uhhhhhh. Aren't you the guy who uses his mums account so he could play underaged and played in stars online women's events?

and this
Lol
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:36 AM   #93
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Very sad to read this. Starting to lose faith in the game I love..
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:08 AM   #94
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Re: Scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

Lol poker is still there just alot of the "pros" people admire are degen scumbags
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Old 07-16-2015, 09:58 AM   #95
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Old 07-16-2015, 10:03 AM   #96
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What sad lives these poker degens lead.
Yeah , good at poker , great results ,clearly a smart guy but such degen gambling habits most likely. Probably should seek help and ban all casinos online asap.
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Old 07-16-2015, 10:24 AM   #97
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Lol poker is still there just alot of the "pros" people admire are degen scumbags
And a lot of the "pros" arent actually making much and have no savings. MTTs are such a tough way to make a living and save money.
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:13 AM   #98
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Re: Scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

The point some are missing here... what if the trust was so high for the "respected" player and no one called Ben out as Herm did?

Moral of the story: investors must perform due dilligence if in the poker investing community. Demand horses provide clear communication or not receive funds.

Sorry to hear about another scam... fml
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Old 07-16-2015, 12:17 PM   #99
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gg your career
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Old 07-16-2015, 01:21 PM   #100
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great thread! always knew this guy was a ****ing douche.
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