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Old 07-15-2015, 08:01 AM   #26
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

Lol at "made a huge fk up" like it was a mistake or something. Very clearly premeditated, and poorly at that

Gg career (and probably next career too as all the inevitable scammer sites pop up)
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:27 AM   #27
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

Gambling does some strange things to people I will give you that... Sigh no wonder everyone in the staking business is super sketched all the time, but with investors? That's just even more bad imo
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:46 AM   #28
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

Gotta wonder if that was the first time he oversold
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Old 07-15-2015, 09:15 AM   #29
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

Normally I'd say it likely is not his first oversell, but given how poorly he executed this scam it's possible it was and he just did it out of desperation or something

The full statement should be interesting. Can't imagine how someone could possibly spin this one
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Old 07-15-2015, 09:24 AM   #30
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

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Lol at "made a huge fk up" like it was a mistake or something. Very clearly premeditated, and poorly at that

Gg career (and probably next career too as all the inevitable scammer sites pop up)
I "misclicked" myself into selling 200% of a tourney is probably a better excuse than made a huge fk up.
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Old 07-15-2015, 09:49 AM   #31
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

Ben also sold a large package for EPT grand final.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...ght=kidcardiff

If people can remember swaps or pieces outside what is posted please speak up.

Not accusing but feel the question has the right to be asked although I agree with bParis - GG career
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Old 07-15-2015, 11:48 AM   #32
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

Seriously Ben?...wtf
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Old 07-15-2015, 12:06 PM   #33
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

All swaps HAVE to be reimbursed since he punted/oversold first bullet.

Anything else would be tragic.
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Old 07-15-2015, 12:08 PM   #34
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

desperate times call for desperate measures. sad the scapegoat had to be @ the expense of people who put trust in him.
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Old 07-15-2015, 12:15 PM   #35
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All swaps HAVE to be reimbursed since he punted/oversold first bullet.

Anything else would be tragic.
this.

Very sad to hear. Would never have imagined Ben as the type to do this.
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Old 07-15-2015, 12:16 PM   #36
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

Could we also list his %sold/swaps in the WSOP ME? Just to make sure we didn't get freerolled.

2.5% swapped here
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Old 07-15-2015, 12:21 PM   #37
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

a "mod" can remove "perceived" from the thread title now

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Old 07-15-2015, 01:24 PM   #38
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

gonna give slugger a chance to chime in before changing anything
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Old 07-15-2015, 01:41 PM   #39
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

Surprised & disappointed by this, very uncharacteristic of Ben. I hope it's sorted soon for all involved.
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:05 PM   #40
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

This just goes to show you can trust literally nobody. Flawless record for as long as almost anybody, seemingly great reputation, works for a site, has good results, is seemingly very, very mature. Would be in the last percentile of people you'd expect to scam.

It's ALOT LOT LOT worse that it is a premeditated scam. People who end up punting on roulette when drunk or degening away online is one thing, people who set out to rob is a whole lot worse.
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:29 PM   #41
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This just goes to show you can trust literally nobody. Flawless record for as long as almost anybody, seemingly great reputation, works for a site, has good results, is seemingly very, very mature. Would be in the last percentile of people you'd expect to scam.

It's ALOT LOT LOT worse that it is a premeditated scam. People who end up punting on roulette when drunk or degening away online is one thing, people who set out to rob is a whole lot worse.
definitely scary and hopefully it was somehow the first time. it's been said before but posting receipts should be mandatory, there's no reason for people not to post receipts.
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:30 PM   #42
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

Ive sold action on 2p2 and with friends for as long as i can remember, and never had any issue, have never cheated anyone.
This WSOP i put a big schedule together. For tournaments that were under <$2k, sheets had 35%, and i sold 5% and 2% to private investors. For tournaments >$2k, i sold a package for which i sold 38% of my action. I also had 2.5% swaps in all events played with four guys, Brian Altman, Billy Chattaway, Matas Cimbolas and Oliver Price. I may have swapped up to 10% more in those tournaments with other players but always had 40%+ of my tournaments, and i want to make this visible to investors/swaps that throughout the series i wasnt overselling action.
After i busted the WSOP main event on day 1 (for that tournament i had 38% sold and 22.5% in swaps, am quite happy making all that visible and breaking it down as to show people who are in doubt. I am collecting the tournament receipts for investors who want them.
What happened after the main event is where i let myself down and others. It was time to get out of Vegas, after a long summer. 6 weeks here giving everything and falling short I began to make bad decisions. I hadnt been home since April but I had one tournament left which i was determined to play as i had sold for it and was a good shot at finishing the trip in profit. I busted the main event on day 1, and had some free time before the venetian main. I started playing casino games and as you can imagine, started losing. I started to feel disorientated being here and became desperate. The cash i had for the tournaments had gone. One mistake led to another and i sold more action for the tournament, and also lost the money. I played on more than one occassion with some swedish guys who were sitting down at palazzo.. It reached the point where i just didnt have the buyins i needed to. I was not thinking straight and sold more action to the Venetian $5k than i should have. It reached 90% which was fine as 35% went to a backing deal. From there, the day before the tournament, i made the biggest mistake. I messaged two close friends and they bought 20% each of two bullets, (sergio and adrian) which took the tournament from 90% to 130% and from there I made swaps of 5% with 4 guys, Ankush, Jono, Goran and Rocco. After continuously running bad I really didnt envisage what could have happened should i have built a stack in the tournament, I did not throw my chips away while at the same time in the back of my mind i was aware i would have serious problems if i went on to cash big. Its all extremely pathetic im well aware. I went down pretty low on chips and managed to build up stack again and busted after dinner. None of the hands i played were anything different to how i would have played in a tournament where i had 100% of my own action. Having said that, if i were to have gone deeper I would have been in trouble, clearly.
I told Mark, sheets, Jono that i played two bullets when i didnt. I cleared that up the following morning and Mark became suscipicous rightly so about what had actually happened here.
I realise ive let down investors, and everyone close to me. Reputation in poker is fragile and i realise its very much one strike. Once you steal, you lose the trust of the community for good. I hope those of you who know me well and worked together for many years that will see this has been a one-off mistake. I have been travelling the world playing poker tournaments pretty much living out of a suitcase for the last few years. I'm here to make money in poker tournaments, and for people who invest. I made a foolish mistake at the end of this summer which i know isnt acceptable under any terms. But It has happened, and i have to face up to it and do everything i can to correct the mistake. I have spoken to the people who invested in this tournament and told them they are getting refunded in full, and i have the means to do so. I also believe that this has happened for the best, and I need to look at myself and why this has happened, and where to go next from here. Once again, im sorry to those i have let down and feel totally ashamed ive made such a costly error of judgement and honesty. Im open to hear any advice on which people want to give to come back from this, although im sure the majority will just say quit poker, Personally i won't let one mistake hold me down and I will come out the other side. First things first i need to pay back the people for that tournament.
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:41 PM   #43
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After continuously running bad I really didnt envisage what could have happened should i have built a stack in the tournament, I did not throw my chips away while at the same time in the back of my mind i was aware i would have serious problems if i went on to cash big. Its all extremely pathetic im well aware. I went down pretty low on chips and managed to build up stack again and busted after dinner. None of the hands i played were anything different to how i would have played in a tournament where i had 100% of my own action. Having said that, if i were to have gone deeper I would have been in trouble, clearly.
I think this is just a blatant lie and there is no way you could have played your A game knowing that if you go deep you are screwed. Rest of the post can sorta make sense.

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Old 07-15-2015, 02:44 PM   #44
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

The fact that you say you have the means to pay everyone back immediately and still went out of your way to screw close friends of yours is even scarier. I don't really buy the whole "vegas left me disoriented" thing, especially with years of experience traveling and playing live tourneys. Pay everyone back including the people you tried to screw with swaps and don't attempt to sell action again is the first steps clearly.
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:45 PM   #45
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Why did you tell different people that you used a different number of bullets?
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:46 PM   #46
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

like others said before. It's one thing to degen away some money, it's another to then go and proceed to try to scam your way out of it. (multiple times, lol)

you _lied_ to everyone involved

what the **** is this "disoriented" bs anyway, are you for real?
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:52 PM   #47
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Re: Perceived scam by Ben Warrington/KidCardiff6

its pretty worrying that after selling 130% and swapping with multiple dudes you say you played 100% same as you would if it was your action ?

like either you are a massive idiot or a compulsive liar, i would put my money on the latter. like just admit you punted it, if you gonna "come clean" come clean, dont do lying, there is 0% chance you were ever gonna cash that tourney.

makes me sad
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:53 PM   #48
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to be clear about main event matti.

main event swaps :
2.5% matas cimbolas
2.5% brian altman
2.5% mattidm
2.5% kakwan lau
2.5% simon deadman
2.5% niall fiarell
2.5% javier etayo
2% mayu roca
1.5% oliver price
1.5% goran
1% sonke

pieces :
7.5 % louise
13% jason bral
5% fakelogic
7.5% matas
5% najib kamand
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:54 PM   #49
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KidCardiff I would advise that you do no not tell any more lies in any regards to this situation. The hole is already deep enough. Stop digging deeper.
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Old 07-15-2015, 03:03 PM   #50
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definitely scary and hopefully it was somehow the first time. it's been said before but posting receipts should be mandatory, there's no reason for people not to post receipts.
This is going to have to become standard.
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