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Ben--had he wanted to--had the opportunity to REALLY scam the community. He could've sold a big package at low MU and ran off into the sunset among other highly lucrative (and amoral) options. But he didn't.
He simply didn't have the opportunity to (once he was outed). But he clearly admitted he WAS going to take it if he could've. He definitively stated in the recent interview he wouldn't have admitted to the overselling unless caught (and my personal interactions agree with that). How he can say he wouldn't have done the same for the phantom 2nd bullet must be a pretty a sophisticated deception in his mind.
UNETHICAL.
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He appears to have played a summer of events with nothing going awry. So either Ben is the worst scammer in the world, or his actions were not premeditated.
But this Venetian $5K event WAS part of the summer package. The timing of it is irrelevant, it's simply a logical result of his desperation. And let's not forget this tweet, "Venetian 5k #tripsaver" (which has since been deleted). He was playing 150% oversold/swapped, knowing he did it to close associates, without enough money in the bank to cover all his debts, supposedly aware he was in "serious trouble" (again, interview) if he made a deep run...and yet he still wrote that. "#Tripsaver" really? That at LEAST points to some level of premeditation.
UNETHICAL.
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But besides the phantom bullets (which is really just straight stealing) the overselling was likely done w/o malicious intent.
In one sentence, you show that he "straight" steals, but then have such certainty when you say it's done w/o malicious intent. I think most would argue, knowingly stealing=malicious.
UNETHICAL.
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Now most folks, if they oversold an event and then lied to some investors about phantom rebuys, when caught would double down on their lies or slink away into the dark. Few ppl have the heart to admit that they make mistakes, especially when they're as damning and serious as the ones Ben made. But he's been open and honest about the events despite knowing that his honesty would earn him virtually no credit w most 2p2ers.
Even fewer people would have had the means and desire to refund investors. Presuming he continues to do so (every indication is that he will) this experience oddly makes me trust Ben more than a random marketplace seller.
He did double down on his lies afterwards. He planned to hide the overselling aspect (got caught). He claimed ITT to have the money to cover it (he doesn't and you were flat wrong for easily believing him when it made zero logical sense). He continues to claim he played the Venetian event as standard (delusional/spin--read Sheets reaction to this). I don't see how this doesn't at least make you wonder what else he's lying about.
UNETHICAL.
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Ben, I applaud you for taking responsibility in this difficult and embarrassing situation like a man of integrity and wish you luck going forward.
Everyone else here may think I'm naive, but if you have trouble selling in the future, pm me. Bank of mixgameaddict is open for you.
As shown, he hasn't taken full responsibility--he was FORCED to take responsibility because he got outed and clearly showed he intended to not take responsibility if he was given the chance.
And if you don't understand how with reactions/reads like yours--uninformed, assuming too much, forgiving too easily w/o context--would've enabled him to continue to not take responsibility, then I don't think anyone can really change your worldview, regardless of how "clever" you may think you are. You were clearly wrong on your read and IMHO a truly clever person would simply admit they spoke out of line.
Last edited by fakelogic; 07-25-2015 at 04:11 PM.