Cool basic idea, but the main problem I initially see would be a "he said/she said" issue. Shady "investors" who either lie about how much they were sold or even just basic disagreements/miscommunication what was actually agreed/booked. Also, much like a few threads on 2p2 trying to out people (ghosting thread, MP negative feedback thread, etc), a lot of it can easily become a rumor mill and just throwing people under the bus w/o solid evidence. Not sure I personally see a solution on how to resolve this other than moderators, but even then, it can get into a lot of fuzzy area w/ incomplete information.

EDIT: Or just look at this thread, there are guys wanting to give various levels of leniency or even outright excusing Ben's behavior. Or I'll admit for myself, I think I tend to have a stricter threshold of fairness/respectful/professionalism on MP transactions than most. There's just such a wide range of what people think is shady or not.

good points, perhaps we should start another thread on the best way to build / run this site if the project gets off the ground at all. I think similar sites in other realms have worked well enough, as palinca said - even if there's a situation with a lot of grey area, having a link to a thread about it so people could see both sides would be a lot better than the current situation where everyone operates in the dark

And fwiw I think your standards are quite reasonable, after reading your posts ITT and doing some business with you in the past

even a list of all the xxxisathief.com websites in a google doc/website would be a good start imo

@palinca great idea, please follow thru with this (and bparis as well). it would be an invaluable resource for the community

u could have a rating system like ebay sellers have to eliminate most of the confusion

Thanks for your enthusiasm! I do think there is room for a project like this, now more than ever maybe.

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Of course, there are many hurdles to overcome for an app or site like that to be efficient. One of them is dealing with noise and spam. But in this particular overselling scenario, there would be no "he said she said" problem since the two parties would have basically signed an informal contract before the tournament even started. The site would clearly indicate everyone agreed on the terms beforehand. As for the miscommunication part, well pokerrep would have lots of templates and guidelines to educated people one how to have clear dialogues and negociations.

I think starting a community thread would be a great idea, see what ideas are out there, what needs to be be adressed or improved, who could help out if the project became serious, the level of interest from the community, etc.

Thanks, I put the idea out there because its a massive endeavor that requires time, many different technical skills, connections, funds. I would love to participate in elaborating something like that but obviously cant do it alone.

Its the kind of idea where execution is everything. You have to do it in a very professional way, or not at all. If the end product if just "meh" itll never catch on and if noone really uses it itll just stagnate or die.

I had a similar idea for a mtt piece-buying watchdog site. I even registered the domain fadethefish.com but never followed through at all. The crux of the idea was to scrape MP and get a rough idea of who has made money for backers, who has scammed, etc etc.

As you stated above, palinca, it's a great idea but it requires much more time/effort/resources than i was willing to provide alone. I'd like to help start up something like this, even if it never turned into any sort of profitable business venture.

Such a site would be massively +ev for backers and players with a good history alike, and be massively -ev for grimmers. What's not to like

From a governance point of view would there be any issues around how the site operates or manages/ facilitates the financial transactions?

I presume you would need to set it up in the same way that the marketplace does with all actual movements of money done outside of the site itself.

I want in on this.
Ill also invest if needed but would also be interested in maintaining it and finding scams. I have a long history of sniffing out liars and cheaters on a couple of sites since im young. It s both something i enjoy and excel at.
Did a lot of stuff like this on chipmeup.com where i uncovered a few scammers way before anyone knew anything simply by connecting dots and doing some research.

So PM me if this goes through. I dont play online anymore so i got time on my hands.

Yes, the way I see the site would simply help the community self-regulate, by keeping records, organizing information, giving structure to different deals, but no money would actually go through the site (would make things infinitely more complicated), and none of the "contracts" would have any legal value.
It's less about punishing scammers than it is discouraging or detecting dubious behavior preeventively, and reinforcing good practice and honest users.

I'm opening a debt collection agency for poker players. Will utilize cyber warfare tactics, smear campaigns and other.

Contact if interested.

So, Kidcardiff has left the building? Lots of unanswered questions ...

just wanted to reply back...i was the poster who used the analogy of getting cheated on by a long time SO....i didn't make it very clear but I have little to no knowledge of the situation outside of what I've read in this thread.

several posts really stood out to me because they directly conflicted with the bad-guy image being portrayed of him in this thread....im not a psychologist but I think most would agree its almost impossible to trust someone after they've admitted to purposely deceiving you. but thats different than what I was talking about....

i wasn't excusing his behavior, I was just kind of posing a hypothetical with my cheated-on analogy.....I'm asking if you are putting more stock in the years of friendship and trust your shared OR in his actions at his lowest???

the analogy about catching an employee stealing is not a good one either, at least in its purest form....this is a much better analogy:

you are owner/CEO of your own small business and you've managed to build it up a bit with the help of some good employees/friends, including a few key sales/marketing guys....one of them brings in a huge % of your business, but after an audit of his employee credit card...you discover he purposely deceived and defrauded you out of a few thousand bucks over the course of a month long business trip.

people who never make mistakes in life:

Everyone makes mistakes but this mistake is very clearly a very different kind of mistake

i'm not exactly sure what world you live in....but I'd definitely say stealing/swindeling from people, including friends, family and business associates...is one of the most common "mistakes" people from all walks of life make; not just the desperate/degenerate.

Okay so that's your own opinion not based on any factual evidence, but even if it's true what does that have to do with this situation? You are basically saying that because some % of people in life make a similar mistake that he shouldn't be punished for his mistake?

That's ******ed. The fact that I don't get drunk and gamble (if that's actually what happened, we're not sure) is not luck.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

What world are you living in? Do not want to join you.

the **** are you talking about?

Sounds like some major projection going on itt

This dolt is just another in the long line of ppl itt who want to draw moral equivalencies for no apparent reason (like the "ben is top 5% of integrity" "but I've never been scammed cause I'm a great judge of human character" guy from earlier)

Also in.

+1 for a site like that

BEN WARRINGTON: THE WORST DECISION OF MY POKER CAREER

Is there a thread where we can keep track of who the scumbag cheating players are?

Russ Hamilton
Eric Lindgren
Chino Rheem
Brad Booth
Christian Lusardi
Darren Woods
Ali Tekintamgac
Kadir Karabulut
Ben Warrington
Sorel Mizzi
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