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Old 01-06-2009, 06:45 AM   #151
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

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Regardless what you think of Shaun, I think it's safe to say that he's one of the most consistent online tournaments players of all time. Congrats buddy, best of luck next year too.
random commentary, i played with him directly on my left for quite a few hours yesterday, and it was not fun at all. Gobbo i think you have a great table presence and play extremely well, i also think you have a great level of knowledge and understanding for the game, and i appreciate the answers you gave me for some of the strategy questions i had for you. best of luck the rest of this trip and the rest of the year, on and off the felt. truly was a pleasure meeting you... ps.. tough crowd, although i thought ur frkn hilarious.. l8...
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Old 01-06-2009, 07:28 AM   #152
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

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hes so hilariously nitty on a shortstack you would never guess he was a 180 player. He is just way too tight minraises all his strong hands pre trying to induce when he has no idea about a balanced range for opening and raise sizes. makes huge over 3x raises with A10o and such in EP at a non antee stage cuz he fears getting flats cant think ahead to just open fold sometimes some raggy hands. Overall he really has so many leaks he wont be profitable in 100rs 1ks for a long long time.
the last few months i have deviated alot from some of my basic strategies and i havent felt like ive played up to my potential for a variety of reasons... i feel your quote here is super general and of course i do mix up alot of these points you made, but as for opening 2.2x alot of my monsters, it is true i have been doing this almost exclusively, and even the most knowledgeable thinking players, just like yourself get trapped and stack off to me, many times daily, as you do regularily to me..

Its just been soo ridiculously effective for me and profitable it is incredibly hard to deviate from some of these strategies. also, besides opening monsters small, in all my 100s+ mtts, my strategies are deviated and randomized very much more than a 3reb or 20r mtt...

Also, its scary how often i open fold ajo or 4s from ep, basically re-iterating my super nit image you have of me.. although thats what i want you to think i guess...
oh also, hands like Ako-s, 10s, JJ or aqo-s, i usually open to 3.2x or 3.5x, 2.99x or whatever, ..... so my minraise / 2.2x open raise is not as polarized as you claim it to be.
Not to mention my 3bet sizes are all over the place from tiny to 6-8x the open.. and imo its very hard for even a world class thinking player to narrow my range in these situations, giving them less info, for them to make the absolute optimal play vs me in this situation...
Also, my flop cbet frequency is not necessarily 100% when i open a pot and get flatted, as you claim i hate
... not to mention my flop play, or subsequent street betting patterns or 3bet frequencies are all randomized/ deviated from many standard lines some players seem to take. Since you are such an expert on the details of my online game, you would know that i can play some hands super aggro, and also of course very passive, and every gear in between, which i feel i have in my game...
As for some of my 5.5-11bb strategies, at mid to late stages of mtts, i am actually quite happy with my shortstack game tbh. I feel this is 1 of my strengths, and with a little more development and tweaking, i believe i can become one of the best short stack mtt players online, and i truly believe that, some of my theories here are really well thought out and optimal strategies, for my long term equity in reference to short stack play mid-late stages....
Not all of us randomly shove 7-15bb with j7o, or 10 6 o or 85o, or 96o, 103o as you do day in and day out, or 3b allin at big fts on the utg CL w KJo and drill a runner runner sr8, even though you had a ridiculously bad image there.. Some of us are actually searching for the best +ev situations when it comes to effective shortstack play, we obviously differ on strategies in this subject... Personally I don't really think you should give any short stack advice, especially criticizing other peoples tenancies considering what some of yours are, but that just my opinion....

oh Btw Shaun , i thought you really outplayed me at that final table of the 50-6m, you seemed to be very proud of your play in that tourny, with the thread you started about that 1 tourny. With 4 players left, i thought my 4bet allin on the river with trip 10s vs your trip 10s with 1 better kicker than me was just an awful shove. As you can admit, that is something i almost never do, especially for value, and i will admit you tilted me badly, mostly by your chat. This may sound like an excuse, but its true, it was like 10pm or later at that point and i remember not eating at all that day and felt i played like sh it, not to mention being on complete monkey tilt...
Also, earlier in that tourny, your 3bet with the j8o, vs my KQo was very wp, when the A 10 rag flop went check, check, and brick on turn, i thought your turn lead was real nice, and if you remember i tanked there for like a full minute b4 folding, and i wanted to shove so fn badly but didnt pull the trigger... of course as you berated me endlessly after that hand, my lack of tilt management on that day left alot to be desired imo... neways i got my revenge when you bluffed off your whole stack to me for the 1st Pca seat i won, so that was sweet... neways wp 50-6m imo.... ez on the short stack play criticism also.....
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Old 01-06-2009, 07:33 AM   #153
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

congrats buddy, derek sounds like a massive ****ing tool
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Old 01-06-2009, 07:35 AM   #154
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

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i once saw derek have 3 BBs, post the BB then fold to a shove. after blinding down from like 18 BBs. well done sfd.
ugghhh... considering i played like 14k mtts on stars in '08, its fair to say there were days i didnt play well any given hour, in any given day.. its impossible to play optimally day in and day out, not to mention the crazy volume i was playing, which leads to many leaks, and general bad play imo..... blinding down like a lil bit ch is never fun, but sometimes im soo handcuffed by table draw/ opponents tendencies/ no cards whatsoever, that this does happen sometimes, and over time i think being patient is the best long term strategy for my game, for the most part, again i could be wrong....

And, if im in BB w only 3-4bbs, and i have like 73, or 92 or 72 or 83o, im definately gonna fold to a shove, just like Hellmuth would. I just feel sometimes with absolute garbage in this spot, the most +ev play is to fold here and move on to the SB, I`ve built back up in this spot sooo many times in the past, and went on to win or have a great result in that given tourny.

Tbh, I`m actually quite comfortable w my short stack game, and like most of my strategies i use with a 4-12bb stack or less in any tourny of consequence...
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Old 01-06-2009, 07:54 AM   #155
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

How come that derek got his chat banned, but s[F]d didn't ? As I supose they both were talking trash to each other.

Derek, I dunno practically anything about You, only that You and Shaun were fighting for TLB winner and all that negative stuff... I've got some question, if You don't want You don't need to answer, I'm just a little curious about You

1. How long You've been playing and with what stakes and how big bankroll You started?

2. What was Your main learning source to understand the game and long it took to You to understand the game and start winning monies?

3. When did You become pro?

4. Why aren't You posting at this forum, do You read this forum often or You don't have that much time (from Your posts I came to conclusion, that You pretty much dedicate Yourself to game) to hang around here?

5. What's Your best advice to improve my and others game?

6. Are You going to try to win this years TLB race?

7. If You would choose one top player (live or i-net player whatever) to play HU, who would it be and why?

Sorry for so much questions
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:36 AM   #156
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

8. Tile or cascade.
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:24 AM   #157
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

hey derek thanks for posting and reiterating how much better then you I am. Also, enjoy my podcast you little whiney ****.

As much as 2+2 prob doesn't want you I would love to hear you make a bigger fool out of yourself and go on the show and just show the rest of the poker community how far behind you are of almost anybody in terms of knowledge skill and mental capabilities.
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:33 AM   #158
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

nm. found it
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:32 AM   #159
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

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hey derek thanks for posting and reiterating how much better then you I am. Also, enjoy my podcast you little whiney ****.

As much as 2+2 prob doesn't want you I would love to hear you make a bigger fool out of yourself and go on the show and just show the rest of the poker community how far behind you are of almost anybody in terms of knowledge skill and mental capabilities.
i'm happy to have him here.

d8 if shaun rly said inappropriate stuff in chat just email support?
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Old 01-06-2009, 11:23 AM   #160
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

I dunno, Derek seems like a decent enough guy and all his negative behavior seems to be tilted responses to a fight he didn't start.
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Old 01-06-2009, 11:36 AM   #161
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

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hey derek thanks for posting and reiterating how much better then you I am. Also, enjoy my podcast you little whiney ****.

As much as 2+2 prob doesn't want you I would love to hear you make a bigger fool out of yourself and go on the show and just show the rest of the poker community how far behind you are of almost anybody in terms of knowledge skill and mental capabilities.
shaun enjoy your webcast...don't sound pathetically nervous again, like you did on pokeroad. I'm gonna pass, and enjoy the rest of the week down here with my family. wp..gg... ive said my peace... class all the way as usual imo..wp,
Oh btw, when exactly did i claim to be better than you online?
I'm pretty sure results speak for themselves. When your random friends come on my tables and write "you'll never be Shaundeeb"; or "shaundeeb>derek8" or whatever, you think this is insulting me? Considering many who matter in poker would put you in the top 10 or 15 all-time online tourny players, i doubt being better than me is that insulting tbh....
ps way to take a compliment also...
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Old 01-06-2009, 11:54 AM   #162
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

hey derek8


how are you doing in the late night 8game?

my buddies tell me they wait for you every night after your MTT sessions, where you donate all of the money back to the poker community
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Old 01-06-2009, 11:57 AM   #163
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i'm happy to have him here.

d8 if shaun rly said inappropriate stuff in chat just email support?
oh i couldn't be a big enough of a man to take that line Besides some of what he said i couldn't let go, its about integrity also.....
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Old 01-06-2009, 12:00 PM   #164
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Re: A respectable concesion pm from 2nd place derek8

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hey derek8


how are you doing in the late night 8game?

my buddies tell me they wait for you every night after your MTT sessions, where you donate all of the money back to the poker community

hahahah.. true, I've played some of those 8g mixes, and... my results have been mixed

But whenever i see Lipofund at my table, it is a welcome sight gl sir.
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Old 01-06-2009, 12:03 PM   #165
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8. Tile or cascade.

cascade.....
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