protect yourself and your other players

[TurnUpTheSun]

chainsaw gonna chainsaw...wait what?

ive always wondered about this, guess its good to know it exists and everyone should be more careful.

[gostatego]

Very interesting that this was posted. I had this exact thing happen to me on Day 3 of the ME. I had a foreign player on my right who didnt speak english very well. He had a member of the media stand behind "him" probably 7 or 8 times for 5 to 10 min at a time. They would speak a foreign language to each other very briefly as well. Eventually I complained to the dealer about the language and him standing behind me. It was very uncomfortable and I really had no way of protecting my cards as he was standing behind me. 1 dealer said, "he is with the media, he is allowed to be there." I said well I dont feel comfortable having him stand behind me.

Im pretty sure there werent signals happening during hands, it was more of just understanding what i was doing with specific hands.

Also saw a foreign fulltilt pro call him on his iphone right as a break was happening.

Makes me really angry that this actually a planned thing and it really was happening.

[hoodskier]

Originally Posted by Dan87

hid your kids, hide your wife, they coming for your holecards

hof

[Todd Terry]

Originally Posted by gostatego

Very interesting that this was posted. I had this exact thing happen to me on Day 3 of the ME. I had a foreign player on my right who didnt speak english very well. He had a member of the media stand behind "him" probably 7 or 8 times for 5 to 10 min at a time. They would speak a foreign language to each other very briefly as well. Eventually I complained to the dealer about the language and him standing behind me. It was very uncomfortable and I really had no way of protecting my cards as he was standing behind me. 1 dealer said, "he is with the media, he is allowed to be there." I said well I dont feel comfortable having him stand behind me.

Im pretty sure there werent signals happening during hands, it was more of just understanding what i was doing with specific hands.

Also saw a foreign fulltilt pro call him on his iphone right as a break was happening.

Makes me really angry that this actually a planned thing and it really was happening.

You should have called the floor, and if that didn't work called a supervisor. There's no ****ing way they should allow someone inside the ropes to stand behind you during the WSOP ME.

[TurnUpTheSun]

in a related topic, dont people with internet on their phones have an advantage over people without access to live updates during big mtts?
for example, say pokernews is reporting during a 10k event and they report shaun deeb just 5 bet shoved 95o and sucked out.
he gets moved to a new table where two old live nits are sitting. one has access to pokernews and one does not. not only does the person with the internet on his phone have extra info, he can spend time between hands looking up more info about players.
is that a case to get phones banned from tables?

[eatSfrishSfrieS]

cliffs:
- deeb didnt crush live mtt's cause media looks at holecards




in all seriousness tho what were they doing with the hc info? relaying during the hand or after? and how did they communicate the info to one another... hand signals, secret mics, sms, bbm?

[gostatego]

Originally Posted by TurnUpTheSun

in a related topic, dont people with internet on their phones have an advantage over people without access to live updates during big mtts?
for example, say pokernews is reporting during a 10k event and they report shaun deeb just 5 bet shoved 95o and sucked out.
he gets moved to a new table where two old live nits are sitting. one has access to pokernews and one does not. not only does the person with the internet on his phone have extra info, he can spend time between hands looking up more info about players.
is that a case to get phones banned from tables?

this is so retarded. anyone has the ability to buy internet access at the tables if they so choose. if you dont want to then you dont have to. how these 2 things are "related" is beyond me

[gostatego]

Originally Posted by Todd Terry

You should have called the floor, and if that didn't work called a supervisor. There's no ****ing way they should allow someone inside the ropes to stand behind you during the WSOP ME.

yeah eventually he stopped doing it. even if the dealer didnt force him to move, me being aware of it happening stopped him and he stood on the other side of this particular player from now on.

im pretty sure i got it stopped as soon as i possibly could after i had realized this same dude has been over my right shoulder for the first half of day 3.

[hoodini10]

Originally Posted by gboro

its pretty serious deeb but i believe you still owe us some sort of dramabomb explosion for that buildup. you got anything in the back pocket?

Is that a serious post? Im almost baffled dude.

[apology7]

in before real 'drama bomb' is dropped...

5, 4, 3, 2.....

[Kramerica]

Originally Posted by gboro

its pretty serious deeb but i believe you still owe us some sort of dramabomb explosion for that buildup. you got anything in the back pocket?

THIS, sorry if I came off bad obviously it's ridiculous if there are media people helping the players, just seems kind of far-fetched and unlikely to be a real industry-wide problem.

[TurnUpTheSun]

Originally Posted by gostatego

this is so retarded. anyone has the ability to buy internet access at the tables if they so choose. if you dont want to then you dont have to. how these 2 things are "related" is beyond me

just spitballin bro. some people wouldnt want technology to be able to change the outcome of a tournament.

[gostatego]

Originally Posted by TurnUpTheSun

just spitballin bro. some people wouldnt want technology to be able to change the outcome of a tournament.

to say that in this thread makes no sense. the 2 are clearly not even close to related. 1 is cheating and the other is using technology to your advantage

[VP$IP]

Some theoretical possibilities.

• The effective but low-tech method is to have one or more observers trying to look at hole cards. It is often enough to see paint or two red cards, etc.
  
• One high-tech method is to have access to the hole card video. Either with the knowledge of the production crew, or without it.
  
• Another high-tech method is from one or more strategically placed video cameras. On a tripod with a zoom lens is best.
  
• Data could be relayed to the player by a verbal code, posture, and/or gesture .
  
• In the high-tech method, it can be transmitted by radio to the player's "iPod" or an invisible earpiece.
  
• To minimize detection, generally limited to large pots. If hardware is used it would be shoot and scoot, to remove evidence from the scene immediately.

In general, high-tech methods provide the most information, but if apprehended, the evidence is undeniable.

[threatnasty]

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