protect yourself and your other players

[shaundeeb]

I preface this post with this comment, many of the comments are just based on here-say and my own logic based on the information I have and been told. I also am leaving out any names and places involved for many reasons. Most importantly that the how they possible cheated is more important then who and where. No need for witch hunts I won’t be answering futher questions on where just about what we can do as a community.I have also talked to many TDs about this situation and how it could have been handled and how future things like this should be handed. I hope something good comes out of this post

During the last few months it’s been a very strong rumor that something shady may be going on in the european tourney circuit. The particular incident which I’m worried about is one where some new media people peering over players shoulders to look at hole cards. I am unsure what was being done with this info but they did mention it to other media during the event and have covered many events in the recent months. I am shocked that no player noticed what was going on and it was able to go on for many events. Now the parts that really bother me about this, is the fact I personally think the media were aiding a player or players in the event to help them basically become live superusers. It really worries me that something like that could so easily happen and there is little punishment for them as well as security to protect the player.

We all need to ask the staffs running the tourneys to start beefing up security, cameras, and floor staff to protect the integrity of the tours. It’s very sad that it was known this happened and the few cameras at the event could show no evidence to add to what was observed by the TD of this event. The media people who were caught were booted from the event but sadly the information was not spread quick enough to other tourney staff around the world. There needs to be information shared between all on cheating that has occurred and cheating that could be occurring. With e-mail lists and such it should be easy for the 10-20 main TDs across the regions of the world to all share who and what they are concerned about.

Now for what I hope players will do is start being more aware of how they could be cheated. With so many diff procedures in each country watch the dealer on every deal watch the staff when doing color-ups. Use your own eyes to protect yourself, there haven’t been many cases of cheating but too much money is on the line and it’s only a small portion of your time to protect yourself and others. Now if you do see something out of the ordinary don’t be shy in bringing it to the head of the tourney staff and voice your concerns. Let the professionals investigate while you go back to playing. Also I think after this incident many places are already making changes and improvements prior to my post but hopefully the more pressure the community puts on them the more money that is put towards security and surveillance

[augie_]

phew luckily i protect my cards

[dupie]

weird, my pee pee didn't grow with excitement

[hoodskier]

That was certainly anti-climactic.

Cliffs:

-Protect your ****ing hole cards when playing live pokers

[22GB]

7th?

[dupie]

deeb grammar check skipped over the thread title apparently

[Alizona]

Good grief, this is silly. It is YOUR responsibility as a player to shield your hole cards. I see so many players just hold them up so high and vertical that half the room can see em.

Why this is any issue at all is beyond me... unless you're going to say they were using high powered telephoto lenses to see the cards from a long way away...

PROTECT YOUR CARDS. End of story. If someone is behind you ask them to step aside before peeking.

I worry much more about someone palming a chip or two off my stack at break. I always put my highest value chips at the bottom of my stack to prevent any possibility when I leave... common sense goes a long way.

[augie_]

so who got thrown out??

[Ledders]

I am underwhelmed to say the least

[ssnyc]

I don't even let my wife and kids look over my shoulder when I am playing online pokers

[NHFunkii]

for guys who are saying 'duh protect your hole cards', it's a lot harder than you think to prevent someone directly behind you from seeing your cards

[rS.X]

How was the hole card information being used exactly? Were they quickly relating what the hole cards were to someone else in the hand using signals or microphones or something? Or were they just passing along what a certain player had during a hand at breaks or something?

I don't quite get how a cameraman/media guy could scope your cards and let another player at the table know what you had right under the nose of everyone in the vicinity of the table.

[33mikemcg]

WAT? Protect your hole cards when playing live??


I feel cheated.

[Alizona]

Originally Posted by NHFunkii

for guys who are saying 'duh protect your hole cards', it's a lot harder than you think to prevent someone directly behind you from seeing your cards

I go to great lengths to shield, because I know how important it is. The way some peek, they might as well just turn em face up.

It isn't hard at all if you put the effort in... poker players are lazy and complainsaws...

[The Brickie]

Who was it?