Why don't you give your reasoning earlier to those hands and explain those poland players played the way they did? The reason why is because it looks very bad on those players and you can't defend them there.

I'm delighted to say that a lot of other players are well aware of this thread. Information here has reached to many of the players. Its similar to how this thread got spoke from one poland player to another since the poland players all tell each other this. I guess the poland players don't like this when things are played fairly huh?


Few other players at the table even mentioned lithianians doing this as well which was something that was mentioned earlier in this thread though it was more so satellites. Though this thread doesn't really involve them at all.


The poland players obviously did not like this going public. Don't be upset that this thread has spread and other players who play are aware of this.

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PokerStars Hand #148818799986: Tournament #1478797390, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2016/02/14 18:48:10 ET
Table '1478797390 11' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: bapebapebape (11705 in chips)
Seat 3: LuClivatti (6497 in chips)
Seat 4: PowellJam (9687 in chips)
Seat 5: SOFTIKA (13294 in chips)
Seat 6: staszeq (7915 in chips)
Seat 7: wow.GhosT (4072 in chips)
Seat 8: dyna140 (5783 in chips)
Seat 9: omg&3lol (6894 in chips)
bapebapebape: posts the ante 50
LuClivatti: posts the ante 50
PowellJam: posts the ante 50
SOFTIKA: posts the ante 50
staszeq: posts the ante 50
wow.GhosT: posts the ante 50
dyna140: posts the ante 50
omg&3lol: posts the ante 50
staszeq: posts small blind 200
wow.GhosT: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [Qs 9h]
dyna140: folds
omg&3lol: folds
bapebapebape: folds
LuClivatti: folds
PowellJam: folds
SOFTIKA: folds
staszeq: calls 200
wow.GhosT: raises 3622 to 4022 and is all-in
staszeq: folds
Uncalled bet (3622) returned to wow.GhosT
wow.GhosT collected 1200 from pot
wow.GhosT: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1200 | Rake 0
Seat 1: bapebapebape folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: LuClivatti folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: PowellJam folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SOFTIKA (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: staszeq (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: wow.GhosT (big blind) collected (1200)
Seat 8: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: omg&3lol folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Folds to poland player Staszeq with a huge stack in the SB. Fellow poland player wow.ghost is in the BB and has 10bb only. Staszeq is a pretty straightforward player. In this situation, he should be either going all in or folding since wow.ghost has 10bb in the BB. Yet here let see what he does. He magically decides to limp in the SB for no reason? Of course theres a reason why he limped. He limped and then wow.ghost shoves and then staszeq folds. thus giving chips to a poland player who needs it. If he had a hand that he should be shoving in the SB here, that is softplaying 100 percent. Magically limps in the sb when in this situation against a nonpole its all in or fold every single time.





PokerStars Hand #148971864901: Tournament #1481835536, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2016/02/17 14:54:50 ET
Table '1481835536 19' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: WasPL1 (14102 in chips)
Seat 2: Cika Steve (7987 in chips)
Seat 3: mAd_wAkey (3710 in chips)
Seat 4: o2striker (8445 in chips)
Seat 5: CaCaw (4105 in chips)
Seat 7: dyna140 (4939 in chips)
Seat 8: 200246 (12736 in chips)
Seat 9: MTZK (2371 in chips)
WasPL1: posts the ante 50
Cika Steve: posts the ante 50
mAd_wAkey: posts the ante 50
o2striker: posts the ante 50
CaCaw: posts the ante 50
dyna140: posts the ante 50
200246: posts the ante 50
MTZK: posts the ante 50
MTZK: posts small blind 200
WasPL1: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [9c 4c]
Cika Steve: folds
mAd_wAkey: folds
o2striker: folds
CaCaw: folds
dyna140: folds
200246: folds
MTZK: raises 1921 to 2321 and is all-in
WasPL1: folds
Uncalled bet (1921) returned to MTZK
MTZK collected 1200 from pot
MTZK: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1200 | Rake 0
Seat 1: WasPL1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Cika Steve folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mAd_wAkey folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: o2striker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: CaCaw folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 200246 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: MTZK (small blind) collected (1200)


Folds to MTZK in the SB who shoves all in for less than 6bb in the SB. Fellow poland player WasPL1 is in the BB and auto folds? What in the world is he folding here with a huge stack and MTZK shoving with less than 6bb so its only 5BB more for him to call. WasPL1 calls every nonpole here due to pot odds. No issue folding to MTZK who needs chips. Also heres another thing i noticed. At this table, WasPL1 immediately clicked sit out when MTZK shoved. Why would he do that? So if you question him why he folded, he would give an excuse and say accident fold or clicked sit out by mistake. This is surely no mistake. Another big stack folding to a fellow poland short stack shove.




PokerStars Hand #149020528493: Tournament #1482861872, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2016/02/18 13:54:49 ET
Table '1482861872 13' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: LuckKlever (3467 in chips)
Seat 2: sarxa (5113 in chips)
Seat 3: Klonthy (2923 in chips)
Seat 4: algirdas0809 (2720 in chips)
Seat 5: NaDaLew (1209 in chips)
Seat 6: furry07 (2627 in chips)
Seat 7: Drew901 (3592 in chips)
Seat 8: mowiejakjest (3589 in chips)
Seat 9: dyna140 (3260 in chips)
LuckKlever: posts the ante 20
sarxa: posts the ante 20
Klonthy: posts the ante 20
algirdas0809: posts the ante 20
NaDaLew: posts the ante 20
furry07: posts the ante 20
Drew901: posts the ante 20
mowiejakjest: posts the ante 20
dyna140: posts the ante 20
Drew901: posts small blind 100
mowiejakjest: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [5s 3d]
dyna140: folds
LuckKlever: folds
sarxa: folds
Klonthy: folds
algirdas0809: folds
NaDaLew: raises 989 to 1189 and is all-in
furry07: folds
Drew901: folds
mowiejakjest: folds
Uncalled bet (989) returned to NaDaLew
NaDaLew collected 680 from pot
NaDaLew: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 680 | Rake 0
Seat 1: LuckKlever folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sarxa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Klonthy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: algirdas0809 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: NaDaLew collected (680)
Seat 6: furry07 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Drew901 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: mowiejakjest (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Poland player Nadalew goes all in for less than 6BB. Of course mowiejakjest who already has done very suspicious plays a while back ago folds very quickly. He folded immediately. Another shortstack poland player shoving on a bigger stack poland player and getting a quick fold.




PokerStars Hand #149021368934: Tournament #1482861872, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2016/02/18 14:09:57 ET
Table '1482861872 13' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Drew901 takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
algirdas0809 takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
Klonthy takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
furry07 takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
mowiejakjest takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
NaDaLew takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
dyna140 takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
sarxa takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
LuckKlever takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
Seat 1: LuckKlever (5047 in chips)
Seat 2: sarxa (7173 in chips)
Seat 3: Klonthy (4503 in chips)
Seat 4: algirdas0809 (4400 in chips)
Seat 5: NaDaLew (3569 in chips)
Seat 6: furry07 (4987 in chips)
Seat 7: Drew901 (5372 in chips)
Seat 8: mowiejakjest (5649 in chips)
Seat 9: dyna140 (5800 in chips)
LuckKlever: posts the ante 25
sarxa: posts the ante 25
Klonthy: posts the ante 25
algirdas0809: posts the ante 25
NaDaLew: posts the ante 25
furry07: posts the ante 25
Drew901: posts the ante 25
mowiejakjest: posts the ante 25
dyna140: posts the ante 25
algirdas0809: posts small blind 125
NaDaLew: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [8h 2s]
furry07: folds
Drew901: folds
mowiejakjest: raises 250 to 500
dyna140: folds
LuckKlever: folds
sarxa: folds
Klonthy: folds
algirdas0809: folds
NaDaLew: raises 3044 to 3544 and is all-in
mowiejakjest: folds
Uncalled bet (3044) returned to NaDaLew
NaDaLew collected 1350 from pot
NaDaLew: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1350 | Rake 0
Seat 1: LuckKlever folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sarxa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Klonthy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: algirdas0809 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: NaDaLew (big blind) collected (1350)
Seat 6: furry07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Drew901 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: mowiejakjest folded before Flop
Seat 9: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Poland player mowiejakjest raising his fellow poland friend Nadalew's BB. I saw this very closely and knew Nadalew would 3bet all in since hes the shorter stack who needs chips. When Nadalew went all in, i paid very close attention to mowiejakjest. He took a lot of time... then folded. Pretty obvious mowiejakjest had a hand where it would be a flip against nadalew but won't call since that doesn't do anything since it would be pole vs pole. This is another example of poland players taking their time when another pole raises or reraises all in. Mowiejakjest never calls there since doing so would mean one of the poland players would be shortstack.

PokerStars Hand #149355897793: Tournament #1489357900, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2016/02/24 15:38:26 ET
Table '1489357900 6' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: alencarfu (7172 in chips)
Seat 3: henriqueono (7147 in chips)
Seat 4: 19stRANnik80 (5654 in chips)
Seat 5: FJMC69 (18902 in chips)
Seat 6: mowiejakjest (4065 in chips)
Seat 7: dyna140 (2451 in chips)
Seat 8: MadDen1978 (4947 in chips)
Seat 9: Noicochuj (8573 in chips)
alencarfu: posts the ante 50
henriqueono: posts the ante 50
19stRANnik80: posts the ante 50
FJMC69: posts the ante 50
mowiejakjest: posts the ante 50
dyna140: posts the ante 50
MadDen1978: posts the ante 50
Noicochuj: posts the ante 50
MadDen1978: posts small blind 200
Noicochuj: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [5h Ac]
alencarfu: folds
henriqueono: folds
19stRANnik80: folds
FJMC69: folds
mowiejakjest: folds
dyna140: raises 2001 to 2401 and is all-in
MadDen1978: folds
Noicochuj: calls 2001
*** FLOP *** [Th 2d 9c]
*** TURN *** [Th 2d 9c] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [Th 2d 9c 8d] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Noicochuj: shows [Ad Js] (a pair of Eights)
dyna140: shows [5h Ac] (a pair of Eights - lower kicker)
Noicochuj collected 5402 from pot
dyna140 finished the tournament in 114th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5402 | Rake 0
Board [Th 2d 9c 8d 8h]
Seat 2: alencarfu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: henriqueono folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 19stRANnik80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: FJMC69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mowiejakjest folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dyna140 (button) showed [5h Ac] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 8: MadDen1978 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Noicochuj (big blind) showed [Ad Js] and won (5402) with a pair of Eights


Folded to poland player Mowiejakjest in the Cutoff. Strangely enough he folds with 10bb when the big stack poland player in the BB. I shove and as expected Noicochuj has a big hand in AJ. Is it a coincidence almost everytime a poland player has a big hand in the blinds, then poland player mowiejakjest magically folds in late position everytime? But almost everytime he shoves into a bigger stack poland player, the bigger stack poland player folds every time?



PokerStars Hand #149361569383: Tournament #1489474886, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2016/02/24 17:14:10 ET
Table '1489474886 11' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: biga_moraes (6485 in chips)
Seat 2: AAngryTiger (8204 in chips)
Seat 4: dyna140 (13724 in chips)
Seat 5: pkrprince90 (1700 in chips)
Seat 6: monmons (18325 in chips)
Seat 7: wow.GhosT (2114 in chips)
Seat 8: cebezet (6614 in chips)
Seat 9: kimchisama (5051 in chips)
biga_moraes: posts the ante 50
AAngryTiger: posts the ante 50
dyna140: posts the ante 50
pkrprince90: posts the ante 50
monmons: posts the ante 50
wow.GhosT: posts the ante 50
cebezet: posts the ante 50
kimchisama: posts the ante 50
pkrprince90: posts small blind 200
monmons: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [2c 7s]
wow.GhosT: raises 1664 to 2064 and is all-in
cebezet: folds
kimchisama: folds
biga_moraes: folds
AAngryTiger: folds
dyna140: folds
pkrprince90: folds
monmons: folds
Uncalled bet (1664) returned to wow.GhosT
wow.GhosT collected 1400 from pot
wow.GhosT: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1400 | Rake 0
Seat 1: biga_moraes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: AAngryTiger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: pkrprince90 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: monmons (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: wow.GhosT collected (1400)
Seat 8: cebezet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: kimchisama folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Wow.ghost goes all in for 5bb utg. Big stack poland player monmons has a huge stack in the BB. He is already in the BB for 1bb. Not calling 4bb with great pot odds to bust fellow poland player wow.ghost? Obviously not. Check this situation where any nonpole shoves for 5BB and he already is in the BB for 1BB and has that huge stack its an auto call.




PokerStars Hand #149361919350: Tournament #1489474886, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2016/02/24 17:20:19 ET
Table '1489474886 11' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: biga_moraes (7635 in chips)
Seat 2: Money MaikeB (8990 in chips)
Seat 3: morris308 (38101 in chips)
Seat 4: dyna140 (22778 in chips)
Seat 6: monmons (17325 in chips)
Seat 7: wow.GhosT (5028 in chips)
Seat 8: cebezet (5514 in chips)
Seat 9: kimchisama (11152 in chips)
biga_moraes: posts the ante 50
Money MaikeB: posts the ante 50
morris308: posts the ante 50
dyna140: posts the ante 50
monmons: posts the ante 50
wow.GhosT: posts the ante 50
cebezet: posts the ante 50
kimchisama: posts the ante 50
monmons: posts small blind 300
wow.GhosT: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [4h Qd]
cebezet: folds
kimchisama: folds
biga_moraes: folds
Money MaikeB: folds
morris308: folds
dyna140: folds
monmons: folds
Uncalled bet (300) returned to wow.GhosT
wow.GhosT collected 1000 from pot
wow.GhosT: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1000 | Rake 0
Seat 1: biga_moraes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Money MaikeB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: morris308 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: monmons (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: wow.GhosT (big blind) collected (1000)
Seat 8: cebezet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: kimchisama folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Poland players monmons, wow.ghost and cebezet. All those 3 are right next to each other. Here i fold and let see if a shorter stack poland player will take the pot down. Big stack monmons in the SB vs short stack wow.ghost in the BB. What happens here? Obviously poland player monmons gives a walk to wow.ghost in the BB since wow.ghost needs chips. He shoves any 2 cards against a nonpole here and thats a fact.


*********** # 56 **************
PokerStars Hand #149361933246: Tournament #1489474886, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2016/02/24 17:20:33 ET
Table '1489474886 11' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: biga_moraes (7585 in chips)
Seat 2: Money MaikeB (8940 in chips)
Seat 3: morris308 (38051 in chips)
Seat 4: dyna140 (22728 in chips)
Seat 6: monmons (16975 in chips)
Seat 7: wow.GhosT (5678 in chips)
Seat 8: cebezet (5464 in chips)
Seat 9: kimchisama (11102 in chips)
biga_moraes: posts the ante 50
Money MaikeB: posts the ante 50
morris308: posts the ante 50
dyna140: posts the ante 50
monmons: posts the ante 50
wow.GhosT: posts the ante 50
cebezet: posts the ante 50
kimchisama: posts the ante 50
wow.GhosT: posts small blind 300
cebezet: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [Kh 5c]
kimchisama: folds
biga_moraes: folds
Money MaikeB: folds
morris308: folds
dyna140: folds
monmons: folds
wow.GhosT: folds
Uncalled bet (300) returned to cebezet
cebezet collected 1000 from pot
cebezet: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1000 | Rake 0
Seat 1: biga_moraes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Money MaikeB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: morris308 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: monmons (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: wow.GhosT (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: cebezet (big blind) collected (1000)
Seat 9: kimchisama folded before Flop (didn't bet)


I fold with 3 poland players left to act. As expected big stack poland player monmons folds in the button since the 2 players in the blinds are poland players and both shorter stacks. This hand happened immediately after the one above where Monmons gave a walk in the SB to his fellow poland player wow.ghost shorter stack in the BB. Yet here gives another walk? This is a poland player that would be autoshoving almost every time it folds to him in the SB. Then magically 2 hands in a row when its folded to him in SB vs BB shorter stack pole and right after it fold to him on button against 2 shorter stack poland players, folds again?




PokerStars Hand #149364614889: Tournament #1489554061, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2016/02/24 18:10:59 ET
Table '1489554061 20' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: ciezarb (6020 in chips)
Seat 2: Szopen1594 (948 in chips)
Seat 3: slarki1 (2985 in chips)
Seat 4: SomBlafnul10 (3096 in chips)
Seat 5: dyna140 (2979 in chips)
Seat 6: AAngryTiger (2743 in chips)
Seat 7: drinker21 (3156 in chips)
Seat 8: lo-fi dream (2640 in chips)
Seat 9: kimchisama (2433 in chips)
ciezarb: posts the ante 15
Szopen1594: posts the ante 15
slarki1: posts the ante 15
SomBlafnul10: posts the ante 15
dyna140: posts the ante 15
AAngryTiger: posts the ante 15
drinker21: posts the ante 15
lo-fi dream: posts the ante 15
kimchisama: posts the ante 15
kimchisama: posts small blind 75
ciezarb: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [Qh Jd]
Szopen1594: raises 783 to 933 and is all-in
slarki1: folds
SomBlafnul10: folds
dyna140: folds
AAngryTiger: folds
drinker21: folds
lo-fi dream: folds
kimchisama: folds
ciezarb: folds
Uncalled bet (783) returned to Szopen1594
Szopen1594 collected 510 from pot
Szopen1594: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 510 | Rake 0
Seat 1: ciezarb (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Szopen1594 collected (510)
Seat 3: slarki1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SomBlafnul10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: AAngryTiger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: drinker21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: lo-fi dream (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: kimchisama (small blind) folded before Flop


Obviously szopen1594 is shoving here with 6bb since the BB is poland player ciezarb. He would also do this if it was poland palyer AAngryTiger since that is 1 lesser chance of a player calling his all in.

With regard to the other two players(golfik16 & camilloskate) and their respective avatars: it is worth noting that they are in fact different now(although look WoWish too despite never having played the game). Those players are in fact related though so will have someone do a specific review into any shared play between them.



So there is mentioning here by players that most likely the Poland players probably know each other like that was even a question.



There ended up being five unique pairings from that list that had some sort of relationship together other than both players being from Poland:


'dabek9191' and 'soniac108'

'c0nscience' and 'Szopen1594'

'VanVicta' and 'Szopen1594'

'VanVicta' and 'ZiomStefan'

szymek1908' and 'ZiomStefan'



Let's put it this way. If you are told these players are indeed related and not only because they are all from Poland, do you think they are playing 100% honest when shorthanded? Because they might have went all in a few times against one another when with 5bb... is that enough to say... okay because of those few hands they went all in against each other with 6bb... then its not softplaying? Such that okay both went all in with 5bb when one had 88 and the other had AK?


Someone here had mentioned the same with Lithianians. Because a few lithianians went all in for 2bb against one another such that one player went all in for 2bb against another player for 2bb, that means they play hard against one another when those hands are completely standard?


I let you all decide on that and its pretty obvious whats going on. The few players who defended the poland players didn't even response to my question earlier when i asked them to explain those plays in those few hands and its because it looks very hard to justify the play.

Seriously man u need to get out more.

Seems to me that ur making something out of nothing.


1. PokerStars Hand #148818799986: Tournament #1478797390, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2016/02/14 18:48:10 ET
Table '1478797390 11' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: bapebapebape (11705 in chips)
Seat 3: LuClivatti (6497 in chips)
Seat 4: PowellJam (9687 in chips)
Seat 5: SOFTIKA (13294 in chips)
Seat 6: staszeq (7915 in chips)
Seat 7: wow.GhosT (4072 in chips)
Seat 8: dyna140 (5783 in chips)
Seat 9: omg&3lol (6894 in chips)
bapebapebape: posts the ante 50
LuClivatti: posts the ante 50
PowellJam: posts the ante 50
SOFTIKA: posts the ante 50
staszeq: posts the ante 50
wow.GhosT: posts the ante 50
dyna140: posts the ante 50
omg&3lol: posts the ante 50
staszeq: posts small blind 200
wow.GhosT: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [Qs 9h]
dyna140: folds
omg&3lol: folds
bapebapebape: folds
LuClivatti: folds
PowellJam: folds
SOFTIKA: folds
staszeq: calls 200
wow.GhosT: raises 3622 to 4022 and is all-in
staszeq: folds
Uncalled bet (3622) returned to wow.GhosT
wow.GhosT collected 1200 from pot
wow.GhosT: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1200 | Rake 0
Seat 1: bapebapebape folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: LuClivatti folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: PowellJam folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SOFTIKA (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: staszeq (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: wow.GhosT (big blind) collected (1200)
Seat 8: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: omg&3lol folded before Flop (didn't bet)

"Staszeq is a pretty straightforward player. In this situation, he should be either going all in or folding since wow.ghost has 10bb in the BB." "Magically limps in the sb when in this situation against a nonpole its all in or fold every single time."

Limping here totally fine and is not an allin or fold situation. Nothing 'magical' about it. How do u know he goes allin or fold 'every single time' against non pole ?


2.PokerStars Hand #148971864901: Tournament #1481835536, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2016/02/17 14:54:50 ET
Table '1481835536 19' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: WasPL1 (14102 in chips)
Seat 2: Cika Steve (7987 in chips)
Seat 3: mAd_wAkey (3710 in chips)
Seat 4: o2striker (8445 in chips)
Seat 5: CaCaw (4105 in chips)
Seat 7: dyna140 (4939 in chips)
Seat 8: 200246 (12736 in chips)
Seat 9: MTZK (2371 in chips)
WasPL1: posts the ante 50
Cika Steve: posts the ante 50
mAd_wAkey: posts the ante 50
o2striker: posts the ante 50
CaCaw: posts the ante 50
dyna140: posts the ante 50
200246: posts the ante 50
MTZK: posts the ante 50
MTZK: posts small blind 200
WasPL1: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [9c 4c]
Cika Steve: folds
mAd_wAkey: folds
o2striker: folds
CaCaw: folds
dyna140: folds
200246: folds
MTZK: raises 1921 to 2321 and is all-in
WasPL1: folds
Uncalled bet (1921) returned to MTZK
MTZK collected 1200 from pot
MTZK: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1200 | Rake 0
Seat 1: WasPL1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Cika Steve folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mAd_wAkey folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: o2striker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: CaCaw folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 200246 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: MTZK (small blind) collected (1200)

Folds to MTZK in the SB who shoves all in for less than 6bb in the SB. Fellow poland player WasPL1 is in the BB and auto folds? and MTZK shoving with less than 6bb so its only 5BB more for him to call.



Seriously? U think he shouild be calling any 2 here. Nonsense. "What in the world is he folding here with a huge stack " ? Hes probably folding about bottom 40% or more .










PokerStars Hand #149020528493: Tournament #1482861872, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2016/02/18 13:54:49 ET
Table '1482861872 13' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: LuckKlever (3467 in chips)
Seat 2: sarxa (5113 in chips)
Seat 3: Klonthy (2923 in chips)
Seat 4: algirdas0809 (2720 in chips)
Seat 5: NaDaLew (1209 in chips)
Seat 6: furry07 (2627 in chips)
Seat 7: Drew901 (3592 in chips)
Seat 8: mowiejakjest (3589 in chips)
Seat 9: dyna140 (3260 in chips)
LuckKlever: posts the ante 20
sarxa: posts the ante 20
Klonthy: posts the ante 20
algirdas0809: posts the ante 20
NaDaLew: posts the ante 20
furry07: posts the ante 20
Drew901: posts the ante 20
mowiejakjest: posts the ante 20
dyna140: posts the ante 20
Drew901: posts small blind 100
mowiejakjest: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [5s 3d]
dyna140: folds
LuckKlever: folds
sarxa: folds
Klonthy: folds
algirdas0809: folds
NaDaLew: raises 989 to 1189 and is all-in
furry07: folds
Drew901: folds
mowiejakjest: folds
Uncalled bet (989) returned to NaDaLew
NaDaLew collected 680 from pot
NaDaLew: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 680 | Rake 0
Seat 1: LuckKlever folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sarxa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Klonthy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: algirdas0809 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: NaDaLew collected (680)
Seat 6: furry07 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Drew901 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: mowiejakjest (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Co shoves for 6bb and bb folds. Are u saying this is another any2 call for a non polish player in the bb or what??


4.PokerStars Hand #149021368934: Tournament #1482861872, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2016/02/18 14:09:57 ET
Table '1482861872 13' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Drew901 takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
algirdas0809 takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
Klonthy takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
furry07 takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
mowiejakjest takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
NaDaLew takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
dyna140 takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
sarxa takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
LuckKlever takes the add-on and receives 2000 chips for $3.19
Seat 1: LuckKlever (5047 in chips)
Seat 2: sarxa (7173 in chips)
Seat 3: Klonthy (4503 in chips)
Seat 4: algirdas0809 (4400 in chips)
Seat 5: NaDaLew (3569 in chips)
Seat 6: furry07 (4987 in chips)
Seat 7: Drew901 (5372 in chips)
Seat 8: mowiejakjest (5649 in chips)
Seat 9: dyna140 (5800 in chips)
LuckKlever: posts the ante 25
sarxa: posts the ante 25
Klonthy: posts the ante 25
algirdas0809: posts the ante 25
NaDaLew: posts the ante 25
furry07: posts the ante 25
Drew901: posts the ante 25
mowiejakjest: posts the ante 25
dyna140: posts the ante 25
algirdas0809: posts small blind 125
NaDaLew: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [8h 2s]
furry07: folds
Drew901: folds
mowiejakjest: raises 250 to 500
dyna140: folds
LuckKlever: folds
sarxa: folds
Klonthy: folds
algirdas0809: folds
NaDaLew: raises 3044 to 3544 and is all-in
mowiejakjest: folds
Uncalled bet (3044) returned to NaDaLew
NaDaLew collected 1350 from pot
NaDaLew: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1350 | Rake 0
Seat 1: LuckKlever folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sarxa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Klonthy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: algirdas0809 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: NaDaLew (big blind) collected (1350)
Seat 6: furry07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Drew901 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: mowiejakjest folded before Flop
Seat 9: dyna140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Do i even need to comment on this hand? Player1 raises and gets 3bets and player1 folds and u think its suspicious??


PokerStars Hand #149355897793: Tournament #1489357900, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2016/02/24 15:38:26 ET
Table '1489357900 6' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: alencarfu (7172 in chips)
Seat 3: henriqueono (7147 in chips)
Seat 4: 19stRANnik80 (5654 in chips)
Seat 5: FJMC69 (18902 in chips)
Seat 6: mowiejakjest (4065 in chips)
Seat 7: dyna140 (2451 in chips)
Seat 8: MadDen1978 (4947 in chips)
Seat 9: Noicochuj (8573 in chips)
alencarfu: posts the ante 50
henriqueono: posts the ante 50
19stRANnik80: posts the ante 50
FJMC69: posts the ante 50
mowiejakjest: posts the ante 50
dyna140: posts the ante 50
MadDen1978: posts the ante 50
Noicochuj: posts the ante 50
MadDen1978: posts small blind 200
Noicochuj: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [5h Ac]
alencarfu: folds
henriqueono: folds
19stRANnik80: folds
FJMC69: folds
mowiejakjest: folds
dyna140: raises 2001 to 2401 and is all-in
MadDen1978: folds
Noicochuj: calls 2001
*** FLOP *** [Th 2d 9c]
*** TURN *** [Th 2d 9c] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [Th 2d 9c 8d] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Noicochuj: shows [Ad Js] (a pair of Eights)
dyna140: shows [5h Ac] (a pair of Eights - lower kicker)
Noicochuj collected 5402 from pot
dyna140 finished the tournament in 114th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5402 | Rake 0
Board [Th 2d 9c 8d 8h]
Seat 2: alencarfu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: henriqueono folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 19stRANnik80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: FJMC69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mowiejakjest folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dyna140 (button) showed [5h Ac] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 8: MadDen1978 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Noicochuj (big blind) showed [Ad Js] and won (5402) with a pair of Eights

"Folded to poland player Mowiejakjest in the Cutoff. Strangely enough he folds with 10bb when the big stack poland player in the BB."

Polish player folds 10bb in co and its suspicious???


PokerStars Hand #149361569383: Tournament #1489474886, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2016/02/24 17:14:10 ET
Table '1489474886 11' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: biga_moraes (6485 in chips)
Seat 2: AAngryTiger (8204 in chips)
Seat 4: dyna140 (13724 in chips)
Seat 5: pkrprince90 (1700 in chips)
Seat 6: monmons (18325 in chips)
Seat 7: wow.GhosT (2114 in chips)
Seat 8: cebezet (6614 in chips)
Seat 9: kimchisama (5051 in chips)
biga_moraes: posts the ante 50
AAngryTiger: posts the ante 50
dyna140: posts the ante 50
pkrprince90: posts the ante 50
monmons: posts the ante 50
wow.GhosT: posts the ante 50
cebezet: posts the ante 50
kimchisama: posts the ante 50
pkrprince90: posts small blind 200
monmons: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [2c 7s]
wow.GhosT: raises 1664 to 2064 and is all-in
cebezet: folds
kimchisama: folds
biga_moraes: folds
AAngryTiger: folds
dyna140: folds
pkrprince90: folds
monmons: folds
Uncalled bet (1664) returned to wow.GhosT
wow.GhosT collected 1400 from pot
wow.GhosT: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1400 | Rake 0
Seat 1: biga_moraes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: AAngryTiger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dyna140 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: pkrprince90 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: monmons (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: wow.GhosT collected (1400)
Seat 8: cebezet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: kimchisama folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Again this is not an any2 call .

"Check this situation where any nonpole shoves for 5BB and he already is in the BB for 1BB and has that huge stack its an auto call."

Its not an auto call against anyone no matter how big ur stack is. Are u saying they should be calling with T3o or 82o?


I'm no wasting anymore time on the other hands because they are even more standard.

Pastor what you said might... and I repeat might have validity. OP, now you need to find hands where the Polish players that you say are folding 5-6bbs against each other end up calling with rags vs. non Poles.

If it turns out they have no issue calling with rags against non Poles yet fold anything to a Pole then there probably is a problem. Obviously bubble play, stack sizes is relevant.

Based on my experience and reading over some of the hands I think there's at least an 80%+ chance that some of the Poles that he's mentioned are cheating. Almost certainly not all of them and that's what makes it difficult to catch them.

Never believed nor disbelieved OP. I do think there is some merit in some of the things mentioned.

The thing I don't get is though, if you believe that you are being cheated then why do you play these games?

https://gyazo.com/12717b96fd3fe3c6cc337d995540d379


Seems weird the country with the most players in a lot of the 15$ 180s is Hungary. I've been tracking most of them looking for any kind of softplay, but TBH I dont see it happening that often (I also play 16-24 tables so I don't notice everything) but I will say there are a handful of accounts that play a very similar style(over 2k-5k+ hand samples) according to my database. I don't have definitive proof yet so I wont be posting any names just yet.

If anyone wants to help out and share a little information, please post here and I'll contact you in private

I think this doesn't apply here. We are talking about 180mans on stars (3.5$-15$) and not some 10man MTT on a shady BTC casino.

I believe you mean Poland players, not Polish players.

maybe he was going for the fAAke

Limping the sb is a pretty common and good strategy. I didn't read all your HHs but if they are all as bad as this one then i doubt any collusion is going on.

Look at the HH where it got 3 handed between me, hand72o and browarfans.


Look at the HH where in a satteliite, 2 poland players are in the SB vs BB. SB had AK, BB Had small cards. BB made the straight on the turn. Checked back turn and river with the nuts.


Limping the SB with 10bb? Issue with this is you cannot find a hand where a poland player does this to a nonpole.


Put it this way. Many players here know that poland players are not good players. Someone here said he wonder how players that are bad seem to be winning. Well not that hard when you have backup.


Look at those hands where they call Out of position with weak hands just to get the nonpole out of the table. Look at those times they keep timing their time bank when situation gets sticky. Stars mentioned several accounts are linked. These accts are linked to browarfans and the other poland accounts.


Look at how many times poland players raise then fold to a reraise against a pole so many times. Look at how many times poland players raise then fold to a nonpole because they dont want to play pots without a fellow pole in hand. Look at how tight poland players play when they are by themselves vs when 1 or 2 poland players at the table. Look at how many times they start loosening up suddenly when 1/2 the table is poland.


Look at how the poland 3 bet isolation play basically stopped happening when its a daily occurance once i posted about this play in the thread. Look at how many poland players who i never played with before suddenly in chat start talking about my thread yet they never played once a 180 man.


Look how many times poland players go all in for 5bb or 6bb and the poland player in the BB folds almost everytime unless he has a monster which he has to call otherwise it look suspicious. Look how many times a poland player who is big stack raises and when the smaller poland player with smaller stack almost always wins the pot by reraising all in or winning it postflop. Look at how many times poland players who would bet flop a lot suddenly stop betting and play passive against a fellow poland player.


I asked a player here to defend that AA vs KQo hand who says he doesn't believe poland players softplay and say those poland players want to bust other poland players just as much as any other player like there isn't any sort of bias/prejudice. Yet when i ask him to explain that AA vs KQo hand when 3 handed, he's quiet as a mouse because he knows he cannot give a reason to defend those poland players.

Limping the SB with 10bb? Issue with this is you cannot find a hand where a poland player does this to a nonpole.

- do you want me to copy dozens of hands when a polish player limps on 10bb from SB to a nonpole? By the way what do you think he wants to achieve by this?

Look at those times they keep timing their time bank when situation gets sticky

- you look at the stats. It takes time when situation gets sticky.

stars mentioned several accounts are linked. These accts are linked to browarfans and the other poland accounts.

- please copy and paste your pokerstars email in which they confirm collusion. Provide all players nicknames. No, you cannot do this. Why? Cos if its confirmed they had to lock their accounts. But....they all are still playing poker incl browarfans. "Yesterday i talked to Queen Elisabeth. She said she plays 180s and the game is fair". If you would get a confirmation from stars that some players collude the first thing you would do - would be to provide these nicknames to satisfy your sick paranoid ego and to show to everybody that you were right. Secondly we would never see them at poker tables.

Look at how many times poland players raise then fold to a reraise against a pole so many times.

- do you want me to copy/paste dozens of hands when poland players raise/call a reraise against a pole? [/B]

Look how many times poland players go all in for 5bb or 6bb and the poland player in the BB folds almost everytime unless he has a monster which he has to call otherwise it look suspicious.

- you simplify it badly. If I am on BB w/ 10-13bb i also fold if not holding a nice playing hand as there is no reason for me to risk 50% of my stack w/ 92o hand or stuff. By the way - you claim that polish players are huge nits. Another reason to fold. Or its huge leak. the polish playe on BB is a huge nit - so he folds even if he has a hand to make a =+cv call. Complain to stars polish players are nits - they will close their accounts. By the way - if they would collude then you would see not folds but calls in these situations constantly. What's the point in leaving shortstacks alive? Do they collude to achieve the mincash or to play for big money and 1-3 places. If they so smart as you claim then they should play for big money and second option. So instead of giving a gift by bigstacks to shortstacks by folding it should be exactly other way round. The shortstack says on skype to a big polish stack - i have a **** hand make a call so you get more chips and so your chance of finishing high increases. No wonder you are a losing player. No logic at all.

Continue your thread. Love it when you make a clown of yourself.

I think the problem is the people of Hungary, there are 8 among the first 20 of the year !! if there is something wrong or if !!

Any reason why you dont comment on the hand and not answer it? You know its pretty hard to defend the poland players in that hand. Just because you live close to poland and friendly with them, obviously you are going to defend them.

Pastor80, how do i know the poland players don't limp in the sb with 10bb? Because i have seen them play. Thats not how they play. They basically all play the same. Check out their pfr/vip/af stats. Everyone of them basically plays from 14/12/1 to 18/16/2. Another thing. Because they can't get aggressive if they are not on the table with a fellow pole. Almost all the poles play very tight when they are by themselves. Look at their contination bets. Their contination bets basically drops all the way down once its 1 on 1 vs a nonpole or multiway and no poles in the hand. Yet any other situation, they have no problem cbetting, calling bets out of position with a weak hand to get the nonpole out. Then afterwards, softplay. Look at it when it was shorthanded when 2 poles at the table. You have one of them calling OOP with 2nd pair to get the nonpole in the BB to fold.


Sect you mention to post some hands where poland players would call with junk hands when the shover has like 3bb to 7bb right? Well heres one.


PokerStars Hand #150356231157: Tournament #1509066052, $7.34+$0.66 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2016/03/14 16:26:16 ET
Table '1509066052 3' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: edu.sombra (8848 in chips)
Seat 2: Doc32 (4452 in chips)
Seat 3: naturehol (3688 in chips)
Seat 4: MARCGY (9515 in chips)
Seat 5: kylsonn1 (3341 in chips)
Seat 6: SugarrrMan (5815 in chips)
Seat 7: Lukáš 91 (2001 in chips)
Seat 8: dyna140 (1211 in chips)
Seat 9: Usavich (6738 in chips)
edu.sombra: posts the ante 25
Doc32: posts the ante 25
naturehol: posts the ante 25
MARCGY: posts the ante 25
kylsonn1: posts the ante 25
SugarrrMan: posts the ante 25
Lukáš 91: posts the ante 25
dyna140: posts the ante 25
Usavich: posts the ante 25
MARCGY: posts small blind 150
kylsonn1: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [Qs 9s]
SugarrrMan: folds
Lukáš 91: folds
dyna140: raises 886 to 1186 and is all-in
Usavich: folds
edu.sombra: folds
Doc32: folds
naturehol: folds
MARCGY: folds
kylsonn1: calls 886
*** FLOP *** [4d Js Ts]
*** TURN *** [4d Js Ts] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [4d Js Ts 5c] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kylsonn1: shows [6h 2s] (a pair of Sixes)
dyna140: shows [Qs 9s] (high card Queen)
kylsonn1 collected 2747 from pot
dyna140 finished the tournament in 61st place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2747 | Rake 0
Board [4d Js Ts 5c 6c]
Seat 1: edu.sombra folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Doc32 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: naturehol (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MARCGY (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: kylsonn1 (big blind) showed [6h 2s] and won (2747) with a pair of Sixes
Seat 6: SugarrrMan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Lukáš 91 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: dyna140 showed [Qs 9s] and lost with high card Queen
Seat 9: Usavich folded before Flop (didn't bet)


So does 62offsuit in the BB call by kylsoon1 count as junk or not? Remember if any pole shoved here, kylsoon1 would fold. This happens tons of times when a pole would shove all in for 3bb to 6bb and then the poland BB folds to give the shorter stack pole chips. In this same situation, if a pole shoved with my stack and another pole was in the BB, not once will the Poland player in the BB call. Also kylsoon1 is aware of my thread and even mentioned about it in the chat. Coincidence? Nope. Everytime a pole shoves there or min raises with a 3bb-6bb... the pole in the BB will always fold unless he has a monster. Reaosn is because that would look very obvious. The poles are very clever.


So is this a good example of a pole calling a nonpole with trash or not? I have tons of hands like where i can show you where a nonpole would shove and a pole would call the all in due to pot odds. Yet when a pole shoves with between 3bb to 6bb... they completely disregard pot odds right? I can post about 20 hands like this. They would call with 64 and J5 because they have pot odds. Yet when a pole shoves.... they fold almost every single time? What hand do they have? Do they have a hand worst than 62 offsuite every time? You can't defend the pole players here.

What has me shocked still is how many of you keep saying they wouldn't be smart to keep shortstacks in. Of course they want the shorter stacks still in. Think about it. You want just 1 poland player at the table with 15000 chips or you want 2 poland players at the table.. one with 12000 and one with 3000. Or would they want 3 poland players with 5000 chips each. Obviously its option 3.


Because that way they could shove all in much looser since the fellow pole won't call unless they have a big hand. Look at how tight these poles play when they are by themselves vs when multiple poles at the table.


Also there was a thread a while back i saw where a poland player multiaccounted and it was posted on 2p2 new gossip thread. When he posted on the forum, guess what happened? Tons of poles from the polish poker forum created accts here and defended their fellow pole and even went far as saying how can you say something negative about a fellow pole... the original poster of that thread was polish. They would go and say things like he's your fellow countryman. Then guess what happend? That poland player received threats from those poles. Remember at the time, the polish poker community was pretty small as someone had mentioned. Then they create accts on 2p2 and all defend their fellow pole and say stuff like you guys are trying to get him banned because he's polish when the reason is pretty much he multiaccounted. Its not a surprise of the polish nationalism that is displayed there and at these 180 mans. They want to protect their fellow poles. How does every poland player i see at the tables seem to know who i am yet many i never played with before? Because the poles tell each other this information.

I also believe this thread is quite long. So if any of you want to look at the hand histories that are very obvious, just look at those i posted recently as those hold a bit more weight to it. But if you look through all the Hand histories, its pretty obvious whats going on.


Its very hard to defend the poland players as there are already hands that show softplay/bias and even players here who sort of defend the poland players won't comment on it because they cannot defend the play.

I gotta say, every couple of months I come here and I read all these posts I find myself wanting to play 180s

Just reading how clueless a regular can be and how much money I can take from him makes me happy

got an info from a friend that you mentioned me, so Im gonna answer - good for you

but before we even go further in a conversation, id like you to find some spots where I fold big blind to a polish player with 2:1

then we can build a discussion and you can build a conflict. before that, lines like

mean absolutely nothing. should I just believe you? find a proof before you start making any accusations


fells to me like you are a desperate gambler who comes crying here after loose session

im not writing in behalf of polish regs, I know only some of them, so when you find proof, make sure im in that hand

twitch.tv/kylsonn1 - starting today with Hot $11 - come say hi guys

Wow....this thread is amazing.
I cant see how collusion could be managed in these tourneys, surely too difficult. Too many players and tables for this to really bear fruit and trying to communicate this if mass tabling sàeems far fetched.
I couldnt face reading anywhere nr half these hh but you could argue against easily enough in most cases.
I will keep my eyes peeled and report back with any suspicious pole play.....cant believe some of them have similar names....hiding out in the open.

holy moly spicolli! you're still raving about this dondrew? hasn't anything been resolved? if not admit defeat and move on