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07-14-2017 , 01:26 PM
Hey luke about pkos sats
WHO IS SAYING THAT PKO NEED TO BE PLAYED TILL WINER??? That its not even close to the idea and so absurd to think that way lol.

TO MAKE IT CLEAR

IN ZOON PKO SATS WHEN PLAYERS GET ITM( TICKETS AWARDED) SATS END/ STOPS, AND EVERY ONE GET THEIR OWN BOUNTY THEY HAVE AT THE MOMENT OF THE END OF THE SATELLITE CREDITED TO THEIR ACCOUNT ( for ex 18 seats/19 left/ when 19 player bust all 18 players left get ticket + their own bounty on their head that they have at that moment is credited to their account and satelite stops/end here, so all players that get tickets get extra $ from their own bounties that they have at the moment of the end of the satelite, it is not going to be played to winner, $$$ from bounties will be distributed to all ticket winers, so they can use those $ to register other mtts or play cash and generate more rake and open more chests and every one will be happy #moreRakeIsBetter)

Btw first ticket/seat won= must play (because imo this will get very popular and people should start grind them, and again generate more rake, open chest, all happy all smiles etc etc you know the drill #moreRakeIsBetter )

X x X

About changing majors schedule my suggestios are

-Instead of hot 162$ = hot 82$
-Instead of big 215$ =big 162$
-Instead of sunday 1k$ = sunday 500$
-Add some 22$/55$ 1r1ad mtt some where in 14h-15h CET time slot variable lvl 5/6/8/10/12min and i imagine one in that 22$ rush slot will do fine( obv no rake on r/ add but guess you cant do that so make it 3xN stack)
-Also as i previosly sugested i want to see 55$+ buy in phase mtt with big guarantee and big first prize

P.S. one more thing, can we get some clown coming out from chests when we open them and make him throwing coins/tickets/$$ etc, that will be so much fun and every one will love it smth like this https://youtu.be/qqqG-ZJL6us
and obv make pokerstars 7 years + join age, #oneTime #vamooooooo

Last edited by Re8uZ; 07-14-2017 at 01:38 PM. Reason: I am serious about all suggestions except chest part obv,
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07-14-2017 , 01:37 PM
someone already mentioned but Re8uZ please, your posts are illegible
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07-14-2017 , 01:52 PM
Hey guys,

Just wanted to check something with you. I can't find any 4 or 6max satellites anymore. Not sure if I accidentally pressed some buttons or others don't have it either?

thnx
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07-14-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mashxx
someone already mentioned but Re8uZ please, your posts are illegible
I posted in a much classier tone.
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07-14-2017 , 02:41 PM
lol
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07-14-2017 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
But apparently, Stars wants me to spend a lot of $3.30 tickets on main event sats. Well, I see no problem with this because the MTT sats allow unregistration from the target, unlike the on-demand ones.
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not until luke reads this lol
rip
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
I couldn't find anything?!?!
Oops, when I was writing that post, I wasn't paying attention to the fact that the $3.30 tickets won in spins can't be used in the MTT satellites at all - they're only vaild for on-demands and events. So indeed, my choice is between playing $3.30 events and playing those sats to the main that don't allow unregistration and have ~25-player bubbles (lol). Of course I choose the former option, and this means that I'm not going to play too many of those spins and therefore not going to do much harm to their ecosystem.

Enjoy the fjords, Luke!

Last edited by coon74; 07-14-2017 at 04:12 PM.
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07-14-2017 , 05:47 PM
I assume Re8uz's first language is not english. Despite this I can understand what he is saying.
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07-14-2017 , 05:54 PM
As for sats, just copy another idea from Winamax - Hit and Run sats in this case.

Last edited by coon74; 07-14-2017 at 06:05 PM.
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07-14-2017 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldResident
Hey guys,

Just wanted to check something with you. I can't find any 4 or 6max satellites anymore. Not sure if I accidentally pressed some buttons or others don't have it either?

thnx
All the 6-max sats and all the 4-max SNG ones are still in my lobby (I've never seen any 4-max scheduled sats).

However, assuming that you're using the PS7 lobby style (with filters), the shootout SNG sats (16-/36-man) indeed aren't shown if you tick only 'Satellite' in the SNG lobby filter 'Variant'. They show up if you tick both 'Shootout' and 'Satellite'. It's not just today's bug - it's been this way for months.

Sorry for the late reply - it took me a bit of time to guess which button you had pressed wrong.
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07-14-2017 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
we had two new starters join the .COM team and I've spent much of my time training them.
Are you training them how to completely destroy an MTT schedule ? Seems like a one man job, that you have covered.
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07-14-2017 , 09:23 PM
Speaking more about filters...

When, in the Events -> MicroMillions 13 -> Events tab, I open the Event Filter and, in the 'Format' / 'Variant' category, I leave only 'Knockout' ticked, I'm shown only those PKOs that have no other attributes, i.e. non-shootout freezeouts. When I leave only 'Re-Entry' ticked, I'm shown only those re-entry events that aren't KO. When I leave both 'Knockout' and 'Re-Entry' ticked, I'm shown all PKOs as well as all re-entries.

So, in order to see re-entry PKOs (there are as many as 14 of them if I'm not mistaken), I have to tick both 'Knockout' and 'Re-Entry'.

Likewise, in order to see events #11 and #31 (shootout PKOs), I have to tick both 'Knockout' and 'Shootout'.

So the most reliable way to find all the PKOs is to type 'KO' in the search box instead of using filters. Those who want to avoid KOs, though, can just untick 'Knockout' to remove them all, instead of typing '-KO' in the search box that of course also works.

Well, I guess this filter behaviour makes sense in practice because most of those who leave just the re-entry option ticked want to find tourneys that have that attribute and no other 'gimmicks'.

Last edited by coon74; 07-14-2017 at 09:35 PM.
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07-15-2017 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
Hey luke about pkos sats
WHO IS SAYING THAT PKO NEED TO BE PLAYED TILL WINER??? That its not even close to the idea and so absurd to think that way lol.

TO MAKE IT CLEAR

IN ZOON PKO SATS WHEN PLAYERS GET ITM( TICKETS AWARDED) SATS END/ STOPS, AND EVERY ONE GET THEIR OWN BOUNTY THEY HAVE AT THE MOMENT OF THE END OF THE SATELLITE CREDITED TO THEIR ACCOUNT ( for ex 18 seats/19 left/ when 19 player bust all 18 players left get ticket + their own bounty on their head that they have at that moment is credited to their account and satelite stops/end here, so all players that get tickets get extra $ from their own bounties that they have at the moment of the end of the satelite, it is not going to be played to winner, $$$ from bounties will be distributed to all ticket winers, so they can use those $ to register other mtts or play cash and generate more rake and open more chests and every one will be happy #moreRakeIsBetter)

Btw first ticket/seat won= must play (because imo this will get very popular and people should start grind them, and again generate more rake, open chest, all happy all smiles etc etc you know the drill #moreRakeIsBetter )

X x X

About changing majors schedule my suggestios are

-Instead of hot 162$ = hot 82$
-Instead of big 215$ =big 162$
-Instead of sunday 1k$ = sunday 500$
-Add some 22$/55$ 1r1ad mtt some where in 14h-15h CET time slot variable lvl 5/6/8/10/12min and i imagine one in that 22$ rush slot will do fine( obv no rake on r/ add but guess you cant do that so make it 3xN stack)
-Also as i previosly sugested i want to see 55$+ buy in phase mtt with big guarantee and big first prize

P.S. one more thing, can we get some clown coming out from chests when we open them and make him throwing coins/tickets/$$ etc, that will be so much fun and every one will love it smth like this https://youtu.be/qqqG-ZJL6us
and obv make pokerstars 7 years + join age, #oneTime #vamooooooo

Replacing the first h162 of the day for a 82$ looks very good idea, the b215 for 162 just no, why would them do that? b215 is a very good tournament.

about the sunday 1k im not sure, i used to play it but i just no longer do so i dont care, the things that made the old sunday 500$ popular was the amount of satelites so idk, maybe make it 500$ again with more satelites could be a good idea and leave the 1ks for tuesday and thursday
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07-15-2017 , 02:32 AM
+1
Jack in the box that comes out of your precious chest and throws you your hard-earned 3 1/2 Star coins right in the face.
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07-15-2017 , 05:22 AM
No problem. Thanks for the effort. 30 minutes later they appeared in the lobby again. I always search for sats with pop up windows (Satellites to tournament #???).
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07-15-2017 , 07:45 AM
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The other downside of PKO satellites is that they must play to a winner instead of finishing once all the seats are awarded. Thanks for the feedback, I can see us testing PKO satellites in the future.
just give back the bounties to the alive players as soon as the game would usually end. In a standard PKO you get your bounty when the game ends ( you win the mtt) and the HU villains bounty. Here you would just get your bounty when the game ends in a normal satellite game.
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07-15-2017 , 10:23 AM
I'm curious as to why the buy-ins of hyper sats aren't adjusted to match common values of tickets.

In particular, in the case of MM13 ME sats, why are they for $3.25 instead of $3.30 (= $3.23 + 0.07) where the first 2 places would get $22 seats (possibly not allowing unregistration) and the 3rd-4th would get $3.84 cash?

I doubt that 16-man sat regs would care much about being forced to play the ME if they want to play a lot of sats to it because the ME entry would be just a $22 semi-sunk cost and they'd be able to win so much more T$ for the 2nd and further won seats (there's even no need to refund for those seats with T$ - Stars can give generic $22 tickets instead that can be used in any $22 MTT).

So I regard this $3.30-heavy spin sat structure combined with the lack of hypersats (and any sats with a double-digit field size, for that matter) for which those $3.30 tickets can be used (i.e. the sporadic $3.25 buy-in amount for a very popular format of hypersats) as overt sabotage against spin and hypersat regs, which is of course not bad for Stars because it preserves the ecosystem, but I have the right to be bitter about this nevertheless. And this hurts recreationals somewhat too because they have fewer options to use their $3.30 tickets to qualify for the ME and some of them don't have enough free time to play a large-field on-demand, which must be common among those who start start their qualification path with spins, choosing what was supposed to be the least time-consuming of all the paths available.

Last edited by coon74; 07-15-2017 at 10:52 AM.
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07-15-2017 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht
just give back the bounties to the alive players as soon as the game would usually end. In a standard PKO you get your bounty when the game ends ( you win the mtt) and the HU villains bounty. Here you would just get your bounty when the game ends in a normal satellite game.
Reason is probably the technology isn't there for this. But you could change the level duration to something really short like 1 minute after the bubble bursts. It'll be epic gamble and people will love it, while still having all the upsides of a well-structured satellite.
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07-15-2017 , 11:19 AM
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Reason is probably the technology isn't there for this.
The cost of making that technology would be much lower than the revenue increase that it would bring by virtue of making sats more enjoyable.

In fact, I think that it's possible to redesign sats in such a way that both awards the vast majority of the prize pool in the form of seats and incorporates the KO element in a more significant way than in the above PKO sat variant. I'm not sure if this redesign idea is obvious; it must be. If it isn't, I'm not sure if I should tell it publicly - I'd rather share it privately with Party's Bryan, as that would yield a higher chance of fruition than private communication with Luke.

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But you could change the level duration to something really short like 1 minute after the bubble bursts. It'll be epic gamble and people will love it, while still having all the upsides of a well-structured satellite.
Another option is just to turn on the auto-all-in mode once the bubble bursts.

On a side note, the MTTSNG of my dreams is as simple as a crossbreed of Beat The Clock / BLAST with total KOs that I call 'Knock The Clock', namely, a Zoom 100% PKO that goes into the auto-all-in shootout mode after a fixed time from the tourney start. The total KO payout mechanism allows to avoid the bubble just like the proportional split of the prize pool that takes place in Beat The Clock, but it's certainly more fascinating and less solvable by artificial intellect. I wonder why Stars didn't produce it in H1 2017, it would be such an obvious improvement over BTC in terms of excitement. I guess the reason is that Amaya is afraid that weak players would be losing too fast there.

Last edited by coon74; 07-15-2017 at 11:47 AM. Reason: the last paragraph
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07-15-2017 , 04:54 PM
looking through the micro millions schedule i was liking the look of heads up zoom but then noticed it was total ko, would really like a heads up zoom mtt. would be pretty good, even if it was just normal progressive knockout
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07-15-2017 , 05:42 PM
The problem with a plain HU Zoom tourney would be the length of the bubble - every hand would take long during hand-for-hand play because of the high number of tables. That's why every non-lottery HU MTT used to be a shootout (and so are MM events #28 and #55). Now HU Zoom total KOs - tourneys with no bubble at all - are set to become an alternative to HU shootouts. A normal (50%) PKO does have a bubble so it's not an option either.
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07-15-2017 , 05:56 PM
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turn into regular HU when the bubble is near (like 130 left in a 100 paid), turn into zoom when bubble bursts.
sounds very lazy, but doable.
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07-15-2017 , 06:10 PM
Does 'regular' HU mean a shootout round? (In a non-shootout non-Zoom HU MTT, it would be impossible to keep everyone playing when an odd number of players would be left.) Well, if there's a point when there are exactly 200 players left, they can be paired, and everyone who beats the opponent will cash. But what if the number of players goes from 201 to 199 straight away - give a bye to one lucky survivor, or to the latest eliminator, or the one who has the biggest stack?

Also, do you want to toggle the shootout (or hand-for-hand) mode on and back off on each payjump?

The Total KO theme goes well with the general HU mindset - a KO is an act of dominance, and it's more pleasant when it's rewarded well, when the prizes go to those who felt opponents on their own instead of those who sit tight trying to ladder up and waiting until others do the job.

Last edited by coon74; 07-15-2017 at 06:30 PM.
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07-15-2017 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
I assume Re8uz's first language is not english. Despite this I can understand what he is saying.
obv, sorry

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Replacing the first h162 of the day for a 82$ looks very good idea, the b215 for 162 just no, why would them do that? b215 is a very good tournament.

about the sunday 1k im not sure, i used to play it but i just no longer do so i dont care, the things that made the old sunday 500$ popular was the amount of satelites so idk, maybe make it 500$ again with more satelites could be a good idea and leave the 1ks for tuesday and thursday
its true that this MTT and structure is good but the problem with big 215$ is that we have major hi stakes MTT (215$ buy in, biggest buy in 9 max MTT on most days) at peek hours that is not even rewarding 10k for the winer, same is happening with sunday 1k imo (i havent played that and super tuesday for long time)
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07-16-2017 , 05:10 AM
I think almost everyone who plays the Sunday Grand would prefer to change it to a Sunday 530 aswell. Simply not a good tournament right now.

Are we going to get our extra 2 minute blind levels for Bigs on sundays like we had before? Make them feel special again, atleast once per week.
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07-16-2017 , 05:22 AM
the funny thing is, that even without increased gts, the games would get bigger pools if you just renamed it "bigger/hotter"
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