[OFFICIAL] PokerStars MTT Thread
07-12-2017
, 08:05 PM
07-13-2017
, 09:44 AM
07-13-2017
, 08:12 PM
07-13-2017
, 08:21 PM
hope u re having some nice vacation luke. enjoy the time off, u ve worked hard. 
07-13-2017
, 08:22 PM
07-13-2017
, 08:28 PM
07-14-2017
, 03:56 AM
Agree. We'll wake him up when September ends.
07-14-2017
, 09:12 AM
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hey Luke, how do you feel about the way pokerstars treats its new customers, eg allowing them to deposit £200.00 to then have their account frozen, to then having to send personal information over 10 times to still have a frozen account, complaint after complaint going in over a 2 week period and then me having to dispute payment through my credit card, personally anyone using the pokerstars site beware, they are scamming people big time !!!
It gets better...it appears all deposits now have to be "played through" in order for you to withdraw.
Normal poker transactions are like a casino bonus Hilarious !!
07-14-2017
, 11:23 AM
Hey everyone,
I'm going to start this one off with a bit of an administrative update. I think I've mentioned it before, but for a period earlier this year, we were very short-staffed. At the end of May, we had two new starters join the .COM team and I've spent much of my time training them. Their first project was to create a MicroMillions schedule and the tournaments themselves, so wish them luck!
As far as the weekly schedule goes, I get it. Changes haven't come quickly lately and I've given a lot of answers basically saying "this is useful feedback, we'll consider it." That said, our guys are now trained and enthusiastic about making a difference. We've already discussed some new initiatives when it comes to updating the main schedule - they've been tasked with reading this thread in depth and collating feedback. Additionally, they're contributing to the creation of the WCOOP schedule.
In the coming weeks, I'll be posting the WCOOP schedule here for feedback and will update you when we plan to make main schedule changes. The first such change is that Zoom tournaments will have longer level times when the non-Zoom portion of the tournament begins. Gotta start somewhere.
Ok, so that wasn't a +1 for 6-max then. Thanks for the suggestion!
As I've mentioned before, we're going to iterate on the main schedule, starting with the majors. I appreciate the feedback when it comes to these tournaments and welcome more ideas. There is no firm timeline for updating the majors, but I'll have a better idea in the coming month. We are also better equipped to quickly make small, common sense changes like the one I've mentioned above regarding Zoom level times.
Not every tournament, but the ones we are marketing (via scarcity or actual promotions) should be special in some way. This could be their size (Sunday Million / Warm-Up), formats (Thrill / Battle Royale) or start time (Kickoff / Cooldown).
I agree that we don't have enough 8-max tournaments. I'll keep it in mind for when we're making other changes. Thank you for the suggestion.
People like variety!
Sometimes you want to watch some Netflix and play a 9-max MTT, other times you want to go to war on 12x 6-max tables.
I don't think there will be any more package satellites to Barcelona as we've run out of hotel rooms. All remaining satellites will be seat + expenses. The focus has shifted to the Barcelona National Event.
What time? The Supersonic and its Mini Versions are the quintessential Sunday enders.
Summertime! They'll increase back to normal levels once Barcelona concludes.
I have limited visibility into the play money product so I can't provide any useful feedback, but I'll forward this to the relevant team. We have no plans to implement All-In or Fold tournaments into real money at this time.
The other downside of PKO satellites is that they must play to a winner instead of finishing once all the seats are awarded. Thanks for the feedback, I can see us testing PKO satellites in the future.
Your other feedback about PKO pay tables is on our radar. This is one of those things that seems like it would take a few minutes to update, but in reality it is a significant task. I agree that it makes sense for the cash prizes to be the same for first and second.
Thanks for bringing this point up again. We’ll test it by the end of August at the latest.
Not necessarily. We want to provide what the players want to play! If a PKO satellite generates 10 seats (and a bounty prize pool to play for), I think I'd prefer that to a freezeout satellite generating 10 seats to the same tournament, because it means more people wanted to play the PKO satellite.
9th wouldn't pay the same as 10th because there would be two even tables of five players. To clarify, the longer term plan for 6-max and 8-max tournaments is to have 7-handed and 9-handed final tables.
Let's not forget that the bolded is important - if something feels really weird, that should raise alarm bells! Thanks for providing the detailed feedback and keeping the discussion going. Like I said, we don't have plans to roll this out everywhere, and all of the feedback leads me to believe that there's some work to do here.
Can you provide any more information? I'm not aware of any recent policy changes with respect to chat.
We do not provide such conversions. I do believe we provide a one-time ability to defer your live package win to a later date, though.
I hear you and everyone else calling for a mid-stakes Series. Something concrete is in the works, and we're kicking around other ideas for 2018.
Thanks for your constructive feedback. I will never be apologetic for using my allocated time off, nor should anyone else. In fact, I leave tonight to go explore the fjords around Bergen for a week!
Thanks for this feedback. I generally agree that we went a bit too $3.30 heavy, but the $3.30s were intended to be used in Main Event satellites. After all, that is the goal of the Spin & Go - to allow players to win a Main Event seat. The $5.50 tickets are just gravy, or a small boost to the Half Price Sunday Storm.
I couldn't find anything?!?!
Just because you don't see me here, doesn't mean I'm not working hard. I have every bit as much as you all.
I’m sorry you’re having a bad experience, but typically these types of issues are caused by the fact that we want to prevent fraud and protect our customers.
Our real money cashout policy is located here.
I'm going to start this one off with a bit of an administrative update. I think I've mentioned it before, but for a period earlier this year, we were very short-staffed. At the end of May, we had two new starters join the .COM team and I've spent much of my time training them. Their first project was to create a MicroMillions schedule and the tournaments themselves, so wish them luck!
As far as the weekly schedule goes, I get it. Changes haven't come quickly lately and I've given a lot of answers basically saying "this is useful feedback, we'll consider it." That said, our guys are now trained and enthusiastic about making a difference. We've already discussed some new initiatives when it comes to updating the main schedule - they've been tasked with reading this thread in depth and collating feedback. Additionally, they're contributing to the creation of the WCOOP schedule.
In the coming weeks, I'll be posting the WCOOP schedule here for feedback and will update you when we plan to make main schedule changes. The first such change is that Zoom tournaments will have longer level times when the non-Zoom portion of the tournament begins. Gotta start somewhere.
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I think the basis of the anti zoom Friday complaints is that it can't be part of a larger session and as such it pushes out all the regulars who like to have other tables at peak time which quite frankly is a shtton of players. This is why we are asking for a 3max zoom pko after or at sonic time because then we actually have space and love the format. Make Friday majors run much later and make them 3max zoom pko and it'll explode. This way you can actually also add a Friday freezeout (hello branding) at the traditional time and everybody would be happy
As I've mentioned before, we're going to iterate on the main schedule, starting with the majors. I appreciate the feedback when it comes to these tournaments and welcome more ideas. There is no firm timeline for updating the majors, but I'll have a better idea in the coming month. We are also better equipped to quickly make small, common sense changes like the one I've mentioned above regarding Zoom level times.
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why does every tournament have to be a gimmick or have a hook. To me having a vanilla 8 max freezeout is exciting because there are not enough in a schedule dominated by psko, turbo, hyper formats
There are not any 8 max tournaments in the schedule and it did quite well in scoop.
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There are not any 8 max tournaments in the schedule and it did quite well in scoop.
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I agree that we don't have enough 8-max tournaments. I'll keep it in mind for when we're making other changes. Thank you for the suggestion.
Sometimes you want to watch some Netflix and play a 9-max MTT, other times you want to go to war on 12x 6-max tables.
What time? The Supersonic and its Mini Versions are the quintessential Sunday enders.
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Luke, regarding all-in or fold tourneys,
if you want a more extensive public beta test of them, please consider adding them at lower play money stakes than 1M and advertising them better, with a clearer explanation of the rules to the general public.
(I'd be able to play if the BI were 250K or less - the cashier button that buys play chips isn't even working for me in Russia under Win 7 for some reason, and I likely won't buy them anyway. I don't mind being a tester for free, but I don't like to pay for it.)
The 1M chip Friday Frenzy saw 84 entries and ran for 19 minutes and can be considered a relative success given the lack of advertising, however, the 10M Friday Freakout failed to become a good data point for you as it gathered merely 8 entries by 5 people and only lasted for 2 minutes
if you want a more extensive public beta test of them, please consider adding them at lower play money stakes than 1M and advertising them better, with a clearer explanation of the rules to the general public.
(I'd be able to play if the BI were 250K or less - the cashier button that buys play chips isn't even working for me in Russia under Win 7 for some reason, and I likely won't buy them anyway. I don't mind being a tester for free, but I don't like to pay for it.)
The 1M chip Friday Frenzy saw 84 entries and ran for 19 minutes and can be considered a relative success given the lack of advertising, however, the 10M Friday Freakout failed to become a good data point for you as it gathered merely 8 entries by 5 people and only lasted for 2 minutes
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about zoom sats, yea i realize that you need bigger number of players to start as zoom
but guess what
if* for ex - 80$+40$+2$(122$) PKO ZOOM 6max satellite for Thursday Thrill 18+ tickets guaranteed at 17:00 CET with 3k starting chips and 3/4/5 min lvl i am prety sure that same people that play 82 hiper at 18:00 will play this plus at least 1/3 of people that play 215BB ate 16:30 and 44bb at 17h
- or add one 12+ tickets for ex in wednesday somewhere 00:00-02:00 CET time slot
the idea and success of variable lvl 6max PKO ZOOM SATS (starting as hiper->going to turbo) imo will be for this reasons
- you add them at the start(15:00-17:00 CET) or the the end (00:00-02:00 CET) of the most peak time grinders sesion
- they are fast and finish fast
- when they are PKO even if you dont win seat you can end up making profit + as added bonus PKO is killng colusion and soft playing
when someone register to plays this kind of sat, it knows that
a) will finish in max 2,5-3hours
b) if he win ticket he will also win some cash too from KOs that he can use to play some other MTTs (and basicly freeroling the target MTT)
c) even if he dont win ticket he can win some $$$ from KOs(cut his buy in cost) and use them to play other MTTs
and only reason you are offering as con is that ZOOM need larger minimum starting players, oh well, w/e
*X*X*X*
ALSO ANOTHER ISSUE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
WHY IN PKO PRIZE FOR #1 IS NOT=PRIZE FOR #2???
and HU match when 2 left to be just for the bounties??? the way it is is very often that #1 when will win will get more the 2x$$$ then #2 will get , including bounties,
HU bounties are quite bigish and very very often the winer gets more $$ from bonunies then the pay jump from #2=>#1 is
but guess what
if* for ex - 80$+40$+2$(122$) PKO ZOOM 6max satellite for Thursday Thrill 18+ tickets guaranteed at 17:00 CET with 3k starting chips and 3/4/5 min lvl i am prety sure that same people that play 82 hiper at 18:00 will play this plus at least 1/3 of people that play 215BB ate 16:30 and 44bb at 17h
- or add one 12+ tickets for ex in wednesday somewhere 00:00-02:00 CET time slot
the idea and success of variable lvl 6max PKO ZOOM SATS (starting as hiper->going to turbo) imo will be for this reasons
- you add them at the start(15:00-17:00 CET) or the the end (00:00-02:00 CET) of the most peak time grinders sesion
- they are fast and finish fast
- when they are PKO even if you dont win seat you can end up making profit + as added bonus PKO is killng colusion and soft playing
when someone register to plays this kind of sat, it knows that
a) will finish in max 2,5-3hours
b) if he win ticket he will also win some cash too from KOs that he can use to play some other MTTs (and basicly freeroling the target MTT)
c) even if he dont win ticket he can win some $$$ from KOs(cut his buy in cost) and use them to play other MTTs
and only reason you are offering as con is that ZOOM need larger minimum starting players, oh well, w/e
*X*X*X*
ALSO ANOTHER ISSUE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
WHY IN PKO PRIZE FOR #1 IS NOT=PRIZE FOR #2???
and HU match when 2 left to be just for the bounties??? the way it is is very often that #1 when will win will get more the 2x$$$ then #2 will get , including bounties,
HU bounties are quite bigish and very very often the winer gets more $$ from bonunies then the pay jump from #2=>#1 is
Your other feedback about PKO pay tables is on our radar. This is one of those things that seems like it would take a few minutes to update, but in reality it is a significant task. I agree that it makes sense for the cash prizes to be the same for first and second.
Thanks for bringing this point up again. We’ll test it by the end of August at the latest.
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I doubt that Stars will agree make a satellite where seats would constitute less than 90% of the prize pool. The excuse is that as many seats as possible should be generated. It disregards the fact that the extremely flat payout structure makes the bubble play so tight and slow that it discourages people from entering sats.
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Making the final table of a tournament is a huge achievement, if 9th paid the same as 10th it'd be ridiculous and a slap in the face to anyone getting 9th. Ask anyone who got 6th in a 6max tournament whether they like this payout structure. Making the final 2 tables is also a good achievement and should - in my opinion - be accompanied by a payjump. Making the final X tables is the same way, though as X becomes larger it obviously becomes less important. Also, this is a smaller point, but 9 is nicely divisible in 3 so you can have 10-12, 13-15 and 16-18 payjumps, instead of 17-14 into 13-10 into payjump every next spot. I don't know, I guess it's partly taste, I just don't see why it ever changed other than a far too widely implemented fix for the 6max tournies that didn't get 7handed final tables and had a 4-handed and 3-handed table bubble.
It doesn't fix the problem either, if you're medium-shortstack and the next payjump is at 5 instead of 6 people, you're still at a similar big disadvantage with 7 left at the 3handed table being ICM-handcuffed. And even then, it's never unfair as long as seating is random, just like it's not unfair if you lose JJ to AK. I'm in favor of paying X tables, and where it's really problematic (even numbered final tables) you add a player to the FT.
It doesn't fix the problem either, if you're medium-shortstack and the next payjump is at 5 instead of 6 people, you're still at a similar big disadvantage with 7 left at the 3handed table being ICM-handcuffed. And even then, it's never unfair as long as seating is random, just like it's not unfair if you lose JJ to AK. I'm in favor of paying X tables, and where it's really problematic (even numbered final tables) you add a player to the FT.
Let's not forget that the bolded is important - if something feels really weird, that should raise alarm bells! Thanks for providing the detailed feedback and keeping the discussion going. Like I said, we don't have plans to roll this out everywhere, and all of the feedback leads me to believe that there's some work to do here.
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Luke, we asked you many times, but I will add another post. We really need a midstakes series. November is a very good time for this! Name it ACOOP (autumn championship of online poker) or AMCOOP (autumn midstakes championship of online poker), add 100-150 MTTs with amazing structure and everyone will be happy! Come on man, it would be very nice, because atm we have only 2 series (may and sep), and after sep we have to wait 7 months until SCOOP! It's too long.
Start it from 19 nov to 10 dec. Nice to grind some good series before christmas time.
Btw you can run this series (or similar) twice a year. November and March are good months for this. If you run this series in March you can name it SMCOOP or whatever you like, it does not matter. All we need is a good midstakes series (2 would be awesome).
Please Luke, think about it.
I think a lot of people here will agree with me because we really need midstakes series.
Start it from 19 nov to 10 dec. Nice to grind some good series before christmas time.
Btw you can run this series (or similar) twice a year. November and March are good months for this. If you run this series in March you can name it SMCOOP or whatever you like, it does not matter. All we need is a good midstakes series (2 would be awesome).
Please Luke, think about it.
I think a lot of people here will agree with me because we really need midstakes series.
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Just face facts guys, the sites become a **** show and going down the pan very quickly. Stars, Amaya and Luke (who has more days off than Santa) do not give a flying f**k we what we think in this thread, wouldn't bother wasting your time in here anymore.
Jeff Gross signs for PS and says ''PS are going in the right direction'' god knows how much he was paid to spit that dribble, very laughable.
Jeff Gross signs for PS and says ''PS are going in the right direction'' god knows how much he was paid to spit that dribble, very laughable.
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I've just played some spin satellites to MicroMillions and think that the prize probabilities are designed poorly.
The probability of a $5.50 ticket prize should have been made higher, the one of a $3.30 ticket - lower.
As it is, I'll end up with an excess of $3.30 tickets (to make things worse, they can't be used to rebuy, can only be used to enter or re-enter), while I'd like to play a $5.50 event too and wouldn't mind winning up to four $5.50 tickets or even a bit more of them.
I'd prefer the $5.50 probability to be at least 2.4% like in the following paytable where the chance of a $1.30 prize is still less than 80%:
as opposed to the current;
The probability of a $5.50 ticket prize should have been made higher, the one of a $3.30 ticket - lower.
As it is, I'll end up with an excess of $3.30 tickets (to make things worse, they can't be used to rebuy, can only be used to enter or re-enter), while I'd like to play a $5.50 event too and wouldn't mind winning up to four $5.50 tickets or even a bit more of them.
I'd prefer the $5.50 probability to be at least 2.4% like in the following paytable where the chance of a $1.30 prize is still less than 80%:
| Prize | Times out of 1M |
|---|---|
| $22 ticket | 2500 |
| $5.50 ticket | 24000 |
| $3.30 ticket | 173725 |
| $1.30 cash | 799775 |
as opposed to the current;
| Prize | Times out of 1M |
|---|---|
| $22 ticket | 2500 |
| $5.50 ticket | 5000 |
| $3.30 ticket | 213725 |
| $1.30 cash | 778875 |
I couldn't find anything?!?!
as you all.
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hey Luke, how do you feel about the way pokerstars treats its new customers, eg allowing them to deposit £200.00 to then have their account frozen, to then having to send personal information over 10 times to still have a frozen account, complaint after complaint going in over a 2 week period and then me having to dispute payment through my credit card, personally anyone using the pokerstars site beware, they are scamming people big time !!!
07-14-2017
, 12:14 PM
Last edited by mecantplay; 07-14-2017 at 12:15 PM.
Reason: It looks like PS is hating the money that can be earned from mid-stake series :) lol