[OFFICIAL] PokerStars MTT Thread
lots of people talking about it, u looking in wrong thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...017-a-1628104/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...017-a-1628104/
Glad to see nothing being done ever by stars to accommodate players with requests to tourneys, scheduling, etc. Cashed out almost every dollar I have. Customer service is embarrassing on this website. I swear the site is run by the water drinking bird in the Simpsons
what about the problem that if anniversary SM is 2 day event that big %% of players left will use call a friend joker(sell % to some better player and let them finish the job, i am also aware that rec woudnt have top pros as friends but i'am prety sure that 80%+ of player left (if it stops like last 27 or smth like that) will not be one player per hand) ???
about 320 full kno just lol, i stop playing Saturdays when you introduce 75% kno and the only MTT that was good was that 320kno and you manage to ruin that too, just lol,
if you want to change smth you should make postive changes like for EX:
- in PKO MTT #1 & #2 get same amount of $$$ and they play for knos HU
- introduce mix PKO/freezeout MTTs (is it PKO until money 25% or 33% of buy in, and after people get itm (ITM % should be ~10% or smth like that) people get the $$$ on their head on their account and tournament continues as freezeout)
- 100% pko can only be popular and masive at 5$-55$ range 6max turbo/hiper because almost every one can afford it and gamble up, but i imagine that 90% pko 6 max turbo/hiper will be way way more popular in that buy in range 5$-55$, with rest of the money/prizepool (10% of the buy ins) payed to final 6
about 320 full kno just lol, i stop playing Saturdays when you introduce 75% kno and the only MTT that was good was that 320kno and you manage to ruin that too, just lol,
if you want to change smth you should make postive changes like for EX:
- in PKO MTT #1 & #2 get same amount of $$$ and they play for knos HU
- introduce mix PKO/freezeout MTTs (is it PKO until money 25% or 33% of buy in, and after people get itm (ITM % should be ~10% or smth like that) people get the $$$ on their head on their account and tournament continues as freezeout)
- 100% pko can only be popular and masive at 5$-55$ range 6max turbo/hiper because almost every one can afford it and gamble up, but i imagine that 90% pko 6 max turbo/hiper will be way way more popular in that buy in range 5$-55$, with rest of the money/prizepool (10% of the buy ins) payed to final 6
the reason most regs hate total KO is because it is a totally different animal, and require different strategy more attention etc. it is a huge deviation from vanilla mtt, which have been very profitable for them with well-defined strategies.
I like the idea of leaving sth like 10% prize pool for the final table. otherwise it is rather absurd playing hand-for-hand when there is really nothing on final table unless you win out. OR unload the bounty once you get to the final table. everyone collects half their own bounty, and the other half goes to the prize pool to play for. so that final table means something.
as it is now, no.1 and no.2 got dramatically different money. yesterday the 33 total KO, no.1 got $12K, and no.2 got $1.2K, huge difference.
actually the more evident data is Saturday total KO.
$11 buyin is 26.9K/20K=1.345,
$33 buyin is 107.2K/100K=1.072,
$320 buyin is 173.1K/175K=0.989.
$11 buyin is 26.9K/20K=1.345,
$33 buyin is 107.2K/100K=1.072,
$320 buyin is 173.1K/175K=0.989.
actually regs hate the total KO format for far more reasons than it requiring different strategy and attention. by looking at the results from a big sample of regs in progs you can clearly see that this format is significantly less profitable.
the strategy is pretty evident and logical i would say. unfortunately, fish never folding is actually a viable strategy for them and we're forced to gamble and punt stacks with them or else we lose EV, whereas in a FO we would print from that
the strategy is pretty evident and logical i would say. unfortunately, fish never folding is actually a viable strategy for them and we're forced to gamble and punt stacks with them or else we lose EV, whereas in a FO we would print from that
33.4k games this year, about 80% are sngs where he makes 15c/game.
last year you could see him 40-tabling 109BB all the way down to 11c rebuy sats LOL
I mean the guy's just a button clicker, but averaging over 300 games a day is just ridic when you mix in midstakes mtts.
last year you could see him 40-tabling 109BB all the way down to 11c rebuy sats LOL
I mean the guy's just a button clicker, but averaging over 300 games a day is just ridic when you mix in midstakes mtts.
33.4k games this year, about 80% are sngs where he makes 15c/game.
last year you could see him 40-tabling 109BB all the way down to 11c rebuy sats LOL
I mean the guy's just a button clicker, but averaging over 300 games a day is just ridic when you mix in midstakes mtts.
last year you could see him 40-tabling 109BB all the way down to 11c rebuy sats LOL
I mean the guy's just a button clicker, but averaging over 300 games a day is just ridic when you mix in midstakes mtts.
hes actually really good and not a button clicker
How the hell does he call or fold then? Just clicks thin air i assume ?
Going back on track. Luke have a word with the amaya managment
Look at what your company is doing to your customers. If u just want stars to continue being the biggest poker offering with 10 mil gtd sun mil then i advise yous to get some people to help luke with his work. Sorry man no offence to you personally but you need someone who knows the current climate and with data presented they would crush the mtt schedule into the top mtt schedule over every site especially as you seem busy with scoop i mean with the rb cuts they can afford a second guy right to help? oh i forgot monte carlo
Scoops being ruined.
Poker is dying. Amaya is laughing all the way to the bank tho it seems . Poker needs more love . **** bet stars. **** casino games. **** 100% pskos.
WE ARE POKER
Going back on track. Luke have a word with the amaya managment
Look at what your company is doing to your customers. If u just want stars to continue being the biggest poker offering with 10 mil gtd sun mil then i advise yous to get some people to help luke with his work. Sorry man no offence to you personally but you need someone who knows the current climate and with data presented they would crush the mtt schedule into the top mtt schedule over every site especially as you seem busy with scoop i mean with the rb cuts they can afford a second guy right to help? oh i forgot monte carlo
Scoops being ruined.
Poker is dying. Amaya is laughing all the way to the bank tho it seems . Poker needs more love . **** bet stars. **** casino games. **** 100% pskos.
WE ARE POKER
33.4k games this year, about 80% are sngs where he makes 15c/game.
last year you could see him 40-tabling 109BB all the way down to 11c rebuy sats LOL
I mean the guy's just a button clicker, but averaging over 300 games a day is just ridic when you mix in midstakes mtts.
last year you could see him 40-tabling 109BB all the way down to 11c rebuy sats LOL
I mean the guy's just a button clicker, but averaging over 300 games a day is just ridic when you mix in midstakes mtts.
If you can't play 30+ tables at the same time it does not mean that they all are bots. I remember I played 30-35 tables at the same time like 6 months in a row. I don't say it's good or not but it's quite possible.
i played 31-36 tables at the same time for 7 months
How did that work out for you?
so I was just looking at tuborg and the last 4 games he played on stars where "€25 Instant Reward Sit & Go ", he got 2/2 and got 25€. What kind of promo is this ?
Hello Luke, nice to see you again.
I think it's been mentioned before but can we please get a decent satellite schedule for the Sunday supersonic? Even if it's just 1 or 2, I don't see why people wouldn't play them.
Please consider this. Thank you.
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I think it's been mentioned before but can we please get a decent satellite schedule for the Sunday supersonic? Even if it's just 1 or 2, I don't see why people wouldn't play them.
Please consider this. Thank you.
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@Luke: perhaps, some recreational/regular players enjoy the PSKO format more. Does this not create a subtle message "regular freezeout poker is not fun anymore"?
Do you have any data that not running PSKOs for a day would deter people from registering altogether? ie people will not play on PS just because there aren't progs. in the schedule.
Do you have any data that not running PSKOs for a day would deter people from registering altogether? ie people will not play on PS just because there aren't progs. in the schedule.
I don't know how popular Steps are, but you're all right to assume they haven't been updated for some time. I do believe I've overheard some conversations about a plan to update Steps, but I do not know the details. I'll try to find out.
I meant the on demands that ran on Sunday were great and seemed like a good format so why not add them to your weekly majors especially on Sunday. Remove the on demand 180s these are absolute horse s*** and bring back the old ones .
An idea for on demands would be for a new game not to spawn until x amount of players have regged the current game or when late reg closes -which ever comes first.
An idea for on demands would be for a new game not to spawn until x amount of players have regged the current game or when late reg closes -which ever comes first.
I apologize if you feel ignored. Main schedule additions are mostly at a standstill now while we prep for SCOOP.
The average at the beginning of Phase 2 this week was 26BBs. I agree that it should be a bit deeper, especially since play approaching the bubble will be slow. Since Phase 1s have already run this week, I'll add 500/1K and 600/1200 beginning next week.
I agree with this. This is why I like variable level times so much as a player!
my previous comment is a bit harsh, and I apologize. but total KO is such a good idea for small stake, I am really disappointed that you use it to fix something that ain't broke, and make everyone feel like total KO is so ridiculous and horrible. if you try it among small stake turbo/hypers, it will be a blast. I am just a rec, don't blame me that I like total KO.
Thanks for the feedback. I'll add this to the list of potential schedule changes which will likely occur following SCOOP.
Well, the conventional wisdom is that yes, average running time (in a regular speed MTT) would indeed chase people away. It is important to remember that most players don't know how to read structures and pay tables. They can't guess when the final table will be reached or how long it will take to receive some multiple of their buy-in. They don't know that 85+% of the time they'll be playing for a few hours at most. They just want to sit and play poker. I'm all for allowing them to make better informed decisions, but I want it to be in such a way that provides them useful information without chasing them away.
Yes I noticed, sunday million is usually slightly over my bankroll but I decided to play it this time, but honestly the main reason for it was because I was watching Jaime's stream and he said this sunday milly "would be the softest ever", although the chance to win these tickets where definetly an alternative incentive
Didn't cash that much though, about $420~ and obviously didn't win a ticket, but still a nice addition to BR
11 tables * 9 players = 99 players get tickets out of... how many were in the first 30 minutes? Have no idea but probably around 40k~
Also I noticed one of the guys on the FT won his seat in a $27 satty, nice roi!
Didn't cash that much though, about $420~ and obviously didn't win a ticket, but still a nice addition to BR
11 tables * 9 players = 99 players get tickets out of... how many were in the first 30 minutes? Have no idea but probably around 40k~
Also I noticed one of the guys on the FT won his seat in a $27 satty, nice roi!
^^^ I was going to add that when schedule was changed. Everytime a psko beat gtd it was increased and when it missed it stayed the same. Bigs on the other hands were instantly decreased when they missed.
Not sure how long it went on but certainly in the first few months. I actually had a spreadsheet tracking it at one point but I lost it.
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Not sure how long it went on but certainly in the first few months. I actually had a spreadsheet tracking it at one point but I lost it.
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everyone i know who seen it and was OI was due to the new psc (new EPT) payouts and changes theyve made to live events. everyone flocking to party poker events/unibet/888, id fathom a guess that would be reason for overlay not because the sattys werent advertised propperly
Is it legal for a gambling site to try to entice players to play games they are self excluded from?
I have self excluded myself from ALL games on stars other than poker. All table games, and especially all slots.. where I historically have a bit of an issue.
Stars the other day offered me a $200 free play on their millionaire slot. And by offered, I mean shoved it down my throat, as in a popup came up in the client during a MTT grind, accompanied by an email at the same time.. seemed really uncool to me tbh.
I have self excluded myself from ALL games on stars other than poker. All table games, and especially all slots.. where I historically have a bit of an issue.
Stars the other day offered me a $200 free play on their millionaire slot. And by offered, I mean shoved it down my throat, as in a popup came up in the client during a MTT grind, accompanied by an email at the same time.. seemed really uncool to me tbh.
what about the problem that if anniversary SM is 2 day event that big %% of players left will use call a friend joker(sell % to some better player and let them finish the job, i am also aware that rec woudnt have top pros as friends but i'am prety sure that 80%+ of player left (if it stops like last 27 or smth like that) will not be one player per hand) ???
about 320 full kno just lol, i stop playing Saturdays when you introduce 75% kno and the only MTT that was good was that 320kno and you manage to ruin that too, just lol,
if you want to change smth you should make postive changes like for EX:
- in PKO MTT #1 & #2 get same amount of $$$ and they play for knos HU
- introduce mix PKO/freezeout MTTs (is it PKO until money 25% or 33% of buy in, and after people get itm (ITM % should be ~10% or smth like that) people get the $$$ on their head on their account and tournament continues as freezeout)
- 100% pko can only be popular and masive at 5$-55$ range 6max turbo/hiper because almost every one can afford it and gamble up, but i imagine that 90% pko 6 max turbo/hiper will be way way more popular in that buy in range 5$-55$, with rest of the money/prizepool (10% of the buy ins) payed to final 6
about 320 full kno just lol, i stop playing Saturdays when you introduce 75% kno and the only MTT that was good was that 320kno and you manage to ruin that too, just lol,
if you want to change smth you should make postive changes like for EX:
- in PKO MTT #1 & #2 get same amount of $$$ and they play for knos HU
- introduce mix PKO/freezeout MTTs (is it PKO until money 25% or 33% of buy in, and after people get itm (ITM % should be ~10% or smth like that) people get the $$$ on their head on their account and tournament continues as freezeout)
- 100% pko can only be popular and masive at 5$-55$ range 6max turbo/hiper because almost every one can afford it and gamble up, but i imagine that 90% pko 6 max turbo/hiper will be way way more popular in that buy in range 5$-55$, with rest of the money/prizepool (10% of the buy ins) payed to final 6
Hey guys: been gone for quite a while from online poker and am trying to figure some stuff out now.
Can anyone please tell me what happened to the TLB? All i can find in the lobby is this ridiculous "Leaderboard" with Number of cashes and no visible prize money to win? Is that a joke? Did they actually remove the next best thing after Battle of the Planets imho?
Can anyone please tell me what happened to the TLB? All i can find in the lobby is this ridiculous "Leaderboard" with Number of cashes and no visible prize money to win? Is that a joke? Did they actually remove the next best thing after Battle of the Planets imho?
As for the Monte Carlo tickets given out during the SM... I think any "free money" is good... but if your objective is to get more people to attend MC then you're not going about it optimally as that money could have been more efficiently spent in other offerings.
I sort of go back and forth on guessing what Stars' objective is in regards to "LIve Events"... At times I question whether they are actually trying to get unique players to qualify as oftentimes this goes against the "maximum margins" objective that covers nearly all of your offerings.
But when they give money away... it seems that they do want qualifiers. Perhaps some events are more important than others from Stars' PR perspective.
I sort of go back and forth on guessing what Stars' objective is in regards to "LIve Events"... At times I question whether they are actually trying to get unique players to qualify as oftentimes this goes against the "maximum margins" objective that covers nearly all of your offerings.
But when they give money away... it seems that they do want qualifiers. Perhaps some events are more important than others from Stars' PR perspective.
https://gyazo.com/4a5143b2c6261f68662721f02e1637fc
Getting this message when I try open up pokerstars.
If i install and reinstall will I lose my notes?
Getting this message when I try open up pokerstars.
If i install and reinstall will I lose my notes?
I know I'm considered a whiner, but I think that somehow Stars was 'forced' to give away these packages. I don't understand the whole thing so therefore I might be talking out of my ass but all of sudden them 'giving away' 150k on a promotion seems rather unlike them. And Luke rushing to the thread because he's got something positive to say for the first time in past two years adds to this, which happens when he has some information that can be spun positively. I think they're trying to meet some requirements simply from some contracts or investors.
But yeah, I might be talking bull****.
But yeah, I might be talking bull****.
Imo all the non red progressive tourneys with 15k gtd+ or 1500+ players gtd should have hyper sngs sats(2 seats) running at the time of late reg period and have these sats appear only at the tourney lobby if thats possible. Give it a trial to any one of the pko tourney. Also wish there was an option if you could re-enter only if you qualify via a sat and not through direct buy in.
exactly. small stake got huge field, and lots of recs cannot run deep and never got decent cash, so total KO will be very popular. those previous test tournaments were good examples. but PS could simply look at bounty builder and come to this conclusion. just compare Saturday BB to other days, maybe just look at the ratio, of actual prize pool to GTD, to see if 75%KO got better ratio, at the small stake than high stake. that is good evidence.
the reason most regs hate total KO is because it is a totally different animal, and require different strategy more attention etc. it is a huge deviation from vanilla mtt, which have been very profitable for them with well-defined strategies.
I like the idea of leaving sth like 10% prize pool for the final table. otherwise it is rather absurd playing hand-for-hand when there is really nothing on final table unless you win out. OR unload the bounty once you get to the final table. everyone collects half their own bounty, and the other half goes to the prize pool to play for. so that final table means something.
the reason most regs hate total KO is because it is a totally different animal, and require different strategy more attention etc. it is a huge deviation from vanilla mtt, which have been very profitable for them with well-defined strategies.
I like the idea of leaving sth like 10% prize pool for the final table. otherwise it is rather absurd playing hand-for-hand when there is really nothing on final table unless you win out. OR unload the bounty once you get to the final table. everyone collects half their own bounty, and the other half goes to the prize pool to play for. so that final table means something.
A tournament routinely beating its guarantee is likely to continue to do so and increasing the guarantee doesn't present a risk. Likewise, a tournament that overlays consistently is unlikely to magically bounce back. Of course, there's situations where you'd like to reverse this trend, and last year there were more than a few instances where I put the spotlight on the Bigs and Hots when the opportunity presented itself.
It makes me quite angry to see responses like this and unfortunately its partly why so many are really angry at Amaya. Its just underhand and also insulting to a bunch of really smart people (which 2+2 ers for the main are with some obvious exceptions). When what is said is just deliberately misunderstood and some half baked answer is given to a statement not even made.
When the schedule changed there was a concerted effort to push PSKO mtts ahead of bigs, it was not even that subtle because I noticed the pattern quite clearly and never even really paid much attention to the ups and downs of GTDs.
When they (PSKO) missed the gtds they were not decreased a bit like this 100% saturday psko btw. A big missed it once and it was snap decreased within a few days.
When a psko beat the gtd is was almost instantly increased and again when a big beat it nothing happened.
In fact while on the subject of the sat 100% psko, there is no way whatsoever a big would overly that much that often and not be decreased almost instantly.
For a while I monitored this whole nefarious business but lost my excel spreadsheet when I changed computers unfortunately
Only if it's 100% PSKO
Thank you for listening Luke. Will make sure I play the last chance satties!
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Way to deliberately misunderstand what was said, I mean I have never been rude in this thread (but can see why others are) and am really tempted to do so now.
It makes me quite angry to see responses like this and unfortunately its partly why so many are really angry at Amaya. Its just underhand and also insulting to a bunch of really smart people (which 2+2 ers for the main are with some obvious exceptions). When what is said is just deliberately misunderstood and some half baked answer is given to a statement not even made.
When the schedule changed there was a concerted effort to push PSKO mtts ahead of bigs, it was not even that subtle because I noticed the pattern quite clearly and never even really paid much attention to the ups and downs of GTDs.
When they (PSKO) missed the gtds they were not decreased a bit like this 100% saturday psko btw. A big missed it once and it was snap decreased within a few days.
When a psko beat the gtd is was almost instantly increased and again when a big beat it nothing happened.
In fact while on the subject of the sat 100% psko, there is no way whatsoever a big would overly that much that often and not be decreased almost instantly.
For a while I monitored this whole nefarious business but lost my excel spreadsheet when I changed computers unfortunately
It makes me quite angry to see responses like this and unfortunately its partly why so many are really angry at Amaya. Its just underhand and also insulting to a bunch of really smart people (which 2+2 ers for the main are with some obvious exceptions). When what is said is just deliberately misunderstood and some half baked answer is given to a statement not even made.
When the schedule changed there was a concerted effort to push PSKO mtts ahead of bigs, it was not even that subtle because I noticed the pattern quite clearly and never even really paid much attention to the ups and downs of GTDs.
When they (PSKO) missed the gtds they were not decreased a bit like this 100% saturday psko btw. A big missed it once and it was snap decreased within a few days.
When a psko beat the gtd is was almost instantly increased and again when a big beat it nothing happened.
In fact while on the subject of the sat 100% psko, there is no way whatsoever a big would overly that much that often and not be decreased almost instantly.
For a while I monitored this whole nefarious business but lost my excel spreadsheet when I changed computers unfortunately
Obvious what your doing and fair play your a business squeezing as much money from the depositors as you can. Pushing all low ev/high variance formats ahead of POKER and coming in saying guys its not us its what people want is insulting our intelligence.
There is a definite multiplier effect on the ticket drop. More recreational players with €530 tickets means a multiple of regs follow them to the sats, means more players go to Monte Carlo, means a multiple of live regs follow them there, means the event gets even more press and hype, meaning more of everyone goes --> the promotional money spent comes back and some.
I was playing a lot of sats for live spots and atending a lot of live events and playing i think. 10+ mtts a trip , after you ****ed up payouts in Barcelona i only played 5 mtts there -estrella main, ept main (won packages online), estrella hiroler 2,2k(which was boiling point for me not to play other mtts when i see that min cash after playing 2 days gives you 70€ profit and that first place gives you i think more the 50-60k LESS money from what first place was year before in same event with more players this year which was total disapointment for me abd a lot of players i talk to) and 2x 2k kno
After that i play zero sats online for Prague and skip Prague altogether, and after i see that you didnt get to reason and fix payouts i am not planing to attend any pokerstars live stop ( not playing online sats) except maybe Barcelona ( and treat that as vacation and play very few mtts)
I can also see in lobbies of sats that some other players that were playing sats for live events are not playing also (idk from what reasons, but i can make a guess that with party live, 888 live etc and you keep butchering schedule and payouts and over charging for accommodation /serveses your live stops will get less and less attendance)
As i post it before i dont know why you(amaya) are doing what you are doing with MTTs ( online and live) and poker altogether, is it ignorance, incompetence or some other unknown motivation or mix of all of it, but you are ****ing up pretty hard on all fronts and only, ONLY thing that is keeping you ahead of competition ( online) is pokerstars great software
when other sides upgrade their softwares players will get away from pokerstars as quick as you can say BOOM abd never come back again, which is very sad thing for me...
Thanks for passing on my message Luke. Have had an email from your responsible gaming team and will discuss it with them further.
With regards to Saturday schedule... is there a chance to change the bounty builders to 50% instead of 75%... and keep your 100% Total KO if you must insist? A bit of a compromise? The amount of regs I talk to who now say they have absolutely zero desire to play on Saturdays really does speak volumes.
With regards to Saturday schedule... is there a chance to change the bounty builders to 50% instead of 75%... and keep your 100% Total KO if you must insist? A bit of a compromise? The amount of regs I talk to who now say they have absolutely zero desire to play on Saturdays really does speak volumes.
With regards to Saturday schedule... is there a chance to change the bounty builders to 50% instead of 75%... and keep your 100% Total KO if you must insist? A bit of a compromise? The amount of regs I talk to who now say they have absolutely zero desire to play on Saturdays really does speak volumes.
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