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07-28-2016 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
I don't think the tournament schedule needs to follow a mathematical pattern or only have three blind structures. Most players just want an experience that feels fun. I doubt there's many situations where a recreational player feels incredulous that the blinds go from 2500 -> 3000 -> 4000 because it is a 20% increase followed by a 33% increase.
Except the part where the BB doesn't actually go from 2500 -> 3000 -> 4000. For the specific game in question with the number of players it typically gets, the largest jumps in effective BB that affect play the most happen right before the FT. I don't see how decreasing everyone's stack in BBs by 50% right before the FT feels fun for anyone. I don't play MTTs that much any more, but I have played it 3 times this month and happened to have final tabled twice and final table bubbled once so know exactly when the FT bubble was on each of those days:

PokerStars Hand #155579543332: Tournament #1607640958, $75+$75+$12 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIX (1500/3000) - 2016/07/05 11:39:32 CUST [2016/07/05 0:39:32 ET]
Table '1607640958 7' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: KingOfThe$ea (166396 in chips)
Seat 3: puan29 (67913 in chips)
Seat 5: Pedpano (213638 in chips)
Seat 8: 69iMhoT69 (266117 in chips)
KingOfThe$ea: posts the ante 500
puan29: posts the ante 500
Pedpano: posts the ante 500
69iMhoT69: posts the ante 500
Pedpano: posts small blind 1500
69iMhoT69: posts big blind 3000

PokerStars Hand #155823091716: Tournament #1607640985, $75+$75+$12 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIX (1500/3000) - 2016/07/11 11:32:14 CUST [2016/07/11 0:32:14 ET]
Table '1607640985 9' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: kelroypoker (173051 in chips)
Seat 2: Adso139 (258916 in chips)
Seat 6: KingOfThe$ea (37260 in chips)
Seat 7: teohellas (119705 in chips)
Seat 8: trampalau (247495 in chips)
kelroypoker: posts the ante 500
Adso139: posts the ante 500
KingOfThe$ea: posts the ante 500
teohellas: posts the ante 500
trampalau: posts the ante 500
teohellas: posts small blind 1500
trampalau: posts big blind 3000

PokerStars Hand #155986643276: Tournament #1613251016, $75+$75+$12 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIX (1500/3000) - 2016/07/15 11:31:02 CUST [2016/07/15 0:31:02 ET]
Table '1613251016 4' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Vic_Lud (174288 in chips)
Seat 4: jamaicano77 (104851 in chips)
Seat 5: Truttman (292359 in chips)
Seat 6: *****rk (109166 in chips)
Seat 7: KingOfThe$ea (59032 in chips)
Vic_Lud: posts the ante 500
jamaicano77: posts the ante 500
Truttman: posts the ante 500
*****rk: posts the ante 500
KingOfThe$ea: posts the ante 500
*****rk: posts small blind 1500
KingOfThe$ea: posts big blind 3000

As you can see the FT bubble was played each time at BB3K which means 20 minutes earlier the play was at BB2K. I'm mainly bringing this up because this is the only >$100 "non turbo" MTT that runs daily on the nightly schedule and the structure is pretty terrible for what is suppose to be a "normal speed" game. I don't think it is such a bad idea to consider changing up the structure to lower the number of effective BBs in the early/mid stages and give a little more play for the later stages.
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07-28-2016 , 09:53 PM



This is pretty interesting.
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07-28-2016 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by EmilioChekshevez



This is pretty interesting.
what's next 30 second blind levels?
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07-28-2016 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by yahooza
what's next 30 second blind levels?
And 20% rake. Better for players who want to grind Supernova El... oh yeah!

I wonder how 888 did get more creative than PokerStars. How didn't you think about making Spin&Go's to end sooner by forcing all players all-in after few levels! Surely recs love it and play MOAR! They also rake it more, surely because of such great innovation!
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07-28-2016 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
Beginning Tuesday, we've added:
  • Omania High Roller [FLO8, 8-Max]
  • Omania High Roller [PL 5-Card Omaha]

on Tuesday and Thursday, respectively.
Awesome! Thanks.

I see lots of tournaments have the 2x+ minimum cash restored. However that's not the case for the Omania High Rollers. Could you please adjust them too.
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07-28-2016 , 11:29 PM
I think that with the number of people that PLO on peak schedule you could add at least 1 daily $109 or $215 PLO game, like I mentioned earlier the $55 bowl offering does close to nothing to attract anyone who plays PLO100+. I'm sure if you advertised a week ahead of time with a banner in PLO cash lobby and a decent guarantee the turnout would be solid.

Btw last nights PLO $320 high roller had a $35K guarantee and the prizepool ended up being $60K, upping the guarantee to at least $50K would only attract an even bigger field. Given than 39.5% of the field were reentries, getting people to register as early as possible will increase the total entries and having "fake overlay" for a longer period of time is a great way to incentivize the players to register.

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Originally Posted by SeaKing
I don't see how decreasing everyone's stack in BBs by 50% right before the FT feels fun for anyone.
*increasing the BB by 50% causing a 33.3% decrease in # of BBs
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07-29-2016 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SeaKing
I don't think it is such a bad idea to consider changing up the structure to lower the number of effective BBs in the early/mid stages and give a little more play for the later stages.
Many posters including myself agree with this point but the problem in this solution would be that it would possibly hurt the number of "late registration" entries. They need to keep the effective BB's high enough in the early/mid game to still allow an incentive for people to late register. It's been pointed out though also in this thread that in certain games people seem to abusing the late registration system and purposely late regging for tournaments to create a more +eV situation for themselves all while lessening the player experience for many of the original "table starters".

I agree that they should look into this more and come up with a better system. In some tournaments it seems like 20% of the field or more registers on the last level of registration. Many of these players clearly aren't late regging because they had prior obligations and just signed onto pokerstars. Many of them are purposely regging at that point because of their prospective tourney $ expectation at the point with the effective bbs still playable with a decent percentage of the tourney field already busted out. Late registration probably doesn't need to be as long as it is in many tourneys and they should consider making some of the changes that you suggested to the blind levels too.
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07-29-2016 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ChanY
Rebuys as a format is reeking of death, which is such a pity.
true

something to consider is replacing some rebuys with the old 2r1a, 1r1a format. Those tourneys had a nice structure and the thought of only having to do a raked rebuy max. 1 or 2 times might bring more players back to these timmays
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07-29-2016 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by LOLCh1pPorn
true

something to consider is replacing some rebuys with the old 2r1a, 1r1a format. Those tourneys had a nice structure and the thought of only having to do a raked rebuy max. 1 or 2 times might bring more players back to these timmays
Yeah, I agree. I used to play that format all the time. The payouts in those games we're good too, with fewer people getting paid.
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07-29-2016 , 09:15 AM
yeah i want those reg speed rebuys back
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07-29-2016 , 12:11 PM
Also miss the cheaps cubeds and quads a lot. Bring back 8c at peak time!
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07-29-2016 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FlipMaster08
Also miss the cheaps cubeds and quads a lot. Bring back 8c at peak time!
Ah the good old 8c and 11c. Those were awesome tourneys.
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07-29-2016 , 03:14 PM
I absolutely loved the 1R1As. I'd even prefer no add-on at all (just to avoid making late reg so profitable. I used to late reg at the last second and play top 3% until the add-on and still have like 70BBs). This would be pretty much a re-entry, but the min cash usually covered the extra buy-ins. This adds to the perceived value of cashing a little if you can avoid using the re-buys. A HATE how re-entries still only pay under 2x buy-in. As soon as you re-enter you don't see profit until you beat more than 2/3 of the field that cashed.
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07-29-2016 , 03:31 PM
I would really love a return of the 8 cubed and 22 cubed. They were brilliant tournaments. Also a daily 11r with a 20k gtd prizepool would be great at peakish time or slightly after.

The 11r 40k gtd on Sunday was an excellent tournament and seems like a slam dunk to bring back mate. I have made peace with the rake on rebuys and would love those tournaments back in our schedule.

The Sunday 11r 40k was just awesome. Pls bring it back. Thanks Luke.

Last edited by Transcendence; 07-29-2016 at 03:37 PM.
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07-29-2016 , 10:03 PM
Bring up some 11r Turbo Super Add-on and I'll play it. Otherwise, just kill them all already and let them out of their misery.

Guys, you know there's like 50 other networks with r/a:s with no rake. Come on! I hope that even Party will see the light, although they deliberately killed rebuys I hope they realize to bring them back in coming winter. Come, join the fight again White Walkers who just want more re-entries and raked rebuys!

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07-30-2016 , 12:08 AM
Just replace the withered 11r I never play anymore n replace it with an 8 cubed 11cubed or 2r 1a
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07-30-2016 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
Bring up some 11r Turbo Super Add-on and I'll play it. Otherwise, just kill them all already and let them out of their misery.

Guys, you know there's like 50 other networks with r/a:s with no rake. Come on! I hope that even Party will see the light, although they deliberately killed rebuys I hope they realize to bring them back in coming winter. Come, join the fight again White Walkers who just want more re-entries and raked rebuys!

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Wtf is a white walker? First of all, in some countries like where I live we have no access to other sites. How am I supposed to play some crappy gtd rebuy on some other site if I'm not allowed to play there and have no access to those sites? Most of Asia cannot play on partypoker, winamax or any of those sites.

Secondly, get over it. Life is too short to fight battles you're not Gna win. While Amaya owns stars, rebuys look like they are going to be raked. Either make your peace with it or go play elsewhere. This is a stars thread and I'll request tournaments that I think will b successful.

I want more tourneys to be added and think rebuys can do well again or if not at least the cubed ones can. Go play on some other network if that's such a problem for u. Also lol at 50 other networks? Do these even exist? Do they have decent guarantees? Can most of the world play on them? The answer to those questions is probably no.

Peace and good luck to u.

Last edited by Transcendence; 07-30-2016 at 12:45 AM.
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07-30-2016 , 08:04 AM
+1 mini weekender

+1000 old 2r1a / 1r1a
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07-30-2016 , 09:20 AM
Hey, Micromillions 80 has a 20K guarantee. Is that a joke? Is it a mistake? Wtf?! You want to discourage me from playing so you:

1. Rake rebuys.
2. Make the gtd so low I don't care.

Good job. I'm not playing it.
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07-30-2016 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jayme87
Just replace the withered 11r I never play anymore n replace it with an 8 cubed 11cubed or 2r 1a
If nobody wants to play a withered 11r why would anyone play a withered 8c?
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07-30-2016 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
If nobody wants to play a withered 11r why would anyone play a withered 8c?
1) because the rebuys/add ons are capped at a Fixed amount, meaning they are cheaper overall

2) people like their structure/game type
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07-30-2016 , 10:36 AM
I can't be the only person that remembers the cubes withering up severely in 2015 and 2016 along with rebuys. If these came back they would be 2-5k GTD or some ****, and I doubt that's what people really want.
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07-30-2016 , 11:12 AM
22c was withered, 11c 8c were awesome till the end.
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07-30-2016 , 11:22 AM
best cube and quads for value was the 5 imo esp the 5q on weekends
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07-30-2016 , 12:10 PM
I quit Stars a few months ago but in a moment of weakness I found myself logging in to splash around a bit earlier this week. It was a horrible experience and I won't be returning. This guy nails it:

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Originally Posted by Rafe
(regarding 2-hour late reg) It changes what a player is capable of doing with the chips. At 30BB people can still take any number of lines through a hand. At 6BB a player has 2 options. All-in or fold. Now, I'm sure you can imagine what this is like: You've been playing a deep stack tourney for 1h 40min. The play for much of that was..well...deep, and you'd chipped up to triple the starting stack. Now you pick-up a decent hand in MP and look left and see 3 re-shove STARTING stacks just sat down with ~10BB looking to gamble some re-entries. The value of chipping up to 3x starting stack is reduced pretty heavily when people can buy-in and get lucky in a couple of hands and be just as well off. It also juices the stacks of the players that pick-up good hands during this period as they get artificially paid off just for not being card dead for that 20min....anyway, my point is it changes the tournament. You have this long period with normal play, then a frenzy, then a long period again where the now artificially deep field waits for the blinds to catch up while the short stacks handy-cap themselves and most of the rest of the field until they die out or survive, which all just serves to add chaos and time to the tournament rather than a consistent structure and predictable time frame. I think simply stopping people from joining when they have a push-fold stack pretty much eliminates the extremes.

I don't know if I explained that well. It is a player-experience issue more than a mathematical one. You get the effects I am describing in every tournament in microcosms. This is just a large-scale extreme. It is awesome when my stack is the one being juiced, but it isn't like it guarantees a win.
It's like how the ring games were when every table had at least 4 chinese 20BB shortstackers. Everyone has to adjust their ranges accordingly, and it's a horrible playing experience for an occasional player.
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