I'm sorry Luke, but your answer comes off very dismissive considering the vast amount of consensus from both regs and recs that payouts are a crucial issue that needs to be addressed. You point to two posts, which are actually the same boilerplate quote about payouts on both. And all you say on that post is essentially explaining what the changes are, with no attempt at discussion, justification, or conversation with the community here.

For an issue that has overwhelming consensus from both regs and recs (myself) that payout are the single biggest problem with the new MTT schedule, it's hard to understand why you are refusing to do your job on these forums as a representative of Stars. Either this is a management decision which is above your head, or you (and the team) are unwilling to engage the community here with any debate about the pros and cons of the new payout structure. Which is sad for a player that has long thought Stars stood above the rest of the competition. Now I see reps from other sites being way more responsive on these forums, engaging with players, and looking as if they're more interested in attracting player business, both from recs and regs, than you appear to be.

As a customer, I'd appreciate a more substantive answer to something as fundamental as how I get paid when I cash in a tournament on your site than "there are no plans to revert the payout changes." Why? As a rec, I don't play to finish in the top 100 players of a 5000+ player tourney and get 1.6x my BI back.

Regardless, I don't expect any answer if the past two weeks have been any indication. Players only option now is to start moving their business, and traffic, to other sites with payout structures that they find more favorable. You appear to have made your call on the issue, and now players will make theirs. I will not be posting on this thread again. Best of luck.

massive +1 to above post obv. well said.
inb4 Luke never replies to it but says he read and considered it.

It's pretty obvious Luke has no control over the payout table. The decision was made above his pay grade and isn't changing

fix it

Zooms are great imo for 1 tabling. Friday is a great spot with lower traffic and lots of stuff to do so instead of firing a session one can easily play a zoom MTT as an alternative grind. I enjoy the friday zoom, all 6 versions of it tbh, and I am sure others feel the same way.

I agree. Although it would be preferred to just pay top10%, some compromise which does not drive people away in hordes would be best interest for both groups.

This was a terrible overlook. 100k guaranteed for most popular NLO8 format was a joke. It could have sustained probably even 500k guaranteed, now most just skipped it. I would have personally probably played it as a major shot if it would not have had such a joke as a guaranteed (no reason to latereg such tournament).

if you don't plan on bringing back full ring hypers, may I ask what's the rationale for your changing all hypers to 6max?

thanks 4 posting this! so on point!

The problem with this is your reasoning behind it.Its based on something you believe in while in fact it has been well argumented both by regs and recs that it is just total nonsense.

Recs look at prize number 1 not at prize number 9000 and thats a fact. Nobody gives a f... about mincash if its 1.2x etc etc.

Its just what it is, a complete money grab. And I am quite annoyed as a micro/lowstakes grinder that these limits will get even worse paytables in the future just like we have worse blinds in comparison to higher stakes.

How are we supposed to move up?? You're turning this into an unbeatable zoom rakefest.

What about replace it with 8-max freezouts? I am personally enjoying this format during scoop and I am a bit surprised that there is just one 8-max with decent guarantee during a regular week, but maybe its just me

Well said +1

+1111111111

Wrong chat.... http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...hread-1591863/

PS don't need to justify their changes, it's their site they can do what they want with it. They made it clear the changes were coming and they made it clear why.

Luke's job is to look after the MTT schedule, not post on 2+2. Nowhere on the PS T&C does it say we are entitled to personal replies here because we signed up and pay rake. Be thankful we get any response at all.

You last paragraph should be the end of the payout discussion. We pay PS for a service every time we register for a tournament. If you don't like that service now it has changed, stop paying for it. It's not changing so moaning about it will achieve nothing.

I don't like playing for hours to win $1.50 in a $1.10 MTT as much as the next guy but it really is time for people to stop moaning and act if they don't like it.

Also, Doggz for Prez.

Don't stop now, I think you can get your tongue inside PS and Luke's butt hole a little further.

Of course people have the right to lobby for changes if something is not what it should be. What a ridiculous comment you just made.

The truth is Stars is ahead of the other sites by quite a distance so it makes sense people want their voices heard and want the best outcome so they can continue playing on the most populated poker site.

luckily the gap is shrinking steadily

I said I didn't like the changes either, this isn't about ass kissing.

Everyone has been trying for weeks now to get change and been told on 3 separate occasions it isn't going to happen, it's time to let it go and move on.

It's quite clear Luke didn't make the payout changes so bashing him is pointless and unfair.

Could you please look at adding some more turbo mtts to the daily schedule there isn't many on a daily basis. Adding some $2-$27 full ring turbo mtts would be incredible especially around 5-7 pm central time when sessions are winding down for most player atm theres like 1-2 turbo tournaments in that spot where there used to be like 8-10.

this I wish he'd just tell us that though, would appreciate the honesty

Still very happy with the structure changes. I think there is a significant lack of vanilla FO's though, especially in the 11$-55$ bi range

Luke was against many of the changes that are now live, he also used to say 'not going to happen' to them.

Luckily summer is around the corner and he can put the blame on it when traffic plummets.

Would it be possible to turn any of the 22-55 6 max turbos into a full ring pko? Also any chance of making one of the late 109 hypers 55$ buyin? Two 109 in a row makes me sad

You guys should really listen to this pokercast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCTFbb4OpxA

From 55:00

@ Luke

I'm filling up my schedule now with Tourneys from PartyPoker (besides FT und 888), because there are not enough MTTs (especially Lowstakes FO and Rebuys).

That means you're losing rake.

I mean, why the hell can't you just bring back ALL of the Tourneys from before?
Is there any negative side of having additional Tourneys running?

Sorry, I just don't get it....

Well done! (NOT)

+1000000

have raised this issue in the party/bwin thread and luckily they are way more interested in hearing what their player base has to say