I don't get what the problem is here.

1. New schedule was released on Monday
2. Imminent changes were made where mistakes occurred.
3. Some structures were changed on request within a few days
4. Other structures will be looked at over the course of the week and possibly changed thereafter.

Just relax and see where things go. Give it time. Give Luke a chance.

Server restart, Luke mentioned it above.

problem goes beyond what u mentioned. severe lack of non turbo tournaments, butchered non NLHE and micro/low stake tournament schedule. besides guarantee changes (which he owes to amaya to fix, it's there money being lost), he changed a single thing, and that was an adjustment to the big structure which still isnt good enough, as echoed by everyone in this thread. why do people keep defending this???? im starting to believe it actually is stockholm syndrome

If changes aren't made soon this thread needs to turn into how we can help people migrate off the site and onto a site where you can actually play poker They've turned mtt's into F@&KING bingo...everything is fast or fast+6m.

The only good thing to come out this is that my sessions are now shorter! Thanks TURBOSTARS!

Please, please, bring back normal poker Luke!

PATIENCE!

you are so naive.

Maybe. Maybe not. If people don't like the direction taken by PokerStars then there is other places to play poker.

yup. that we can agree on.

I like almost all the changes personally. The shorter levels and 5k stack is awesome. Good job.

played every day since new shedule and here are my thoughts:

-too many 6max at same time
-structure in bigs gets horrible at end stage
-seams like the bigs are losing more and more interest because bounty builders have taken over with the biggest prizepools grnts of the day, damn i miss bigger first place prizes
-if you are gonna do a 50r then make it a highlite with a decent guarante
-prefered the old shedule, the mtts were just better placed
-I dont mind a few pkos but there are just too many

You seem to be the only one. You also seem to feel the need to post your input on the subject in every thread where the new "enhanced" schedule is discussed. I wonder why.

Day 2, post nr. 2.

The implementation of dynamic structures. I am seriously excited about the implications of this functionality! Imagine a typical freezeout but the levels are eight minutes in length, then 10 minutes once the money is reached, 12 minutes at the final three tables, and 15 minutes at the final table. The ability to lengthen the excitement of going deep in a tournament in a dynamic way has a lot of potential.

And then almost five months later

Overall, I do think tournaments need to be shortened some amount. I've made the conversion from professional to recreational player and my single biggest consideration of if I play a tournament or not is its length. If I am going to play 4-5 hours, not make the money, and be exhausted for work, I'm not interested. I acknowledge that this doesn't apply to our biggest weekly tournaments, but I think we need to draw a fine line in the daily schedule.

I'm asking, what has changed (think I know the answer but I would like one because this seems like a pretty big lie)?

Be honest please. You've been very selective in your answers so I'm going to be annoying and repeat this post every day until you answer.

Posting my mtt input in an mtt input thread. Whatever next?

Really happy overall with the changes you made to the schedule think you guys done a great job.

I agree with everyone else though, structures are way to fast will be a big shame if they are left like this.

solid bump/quote


buellerrrrrr?

The new schedule isn't great at all... ok have turbo's but have regular speeds too... some of us want to play poker and play a few flops, not just all in or fold when in the money! Have your 5 minute structures and give us 10/11/12 minute structures at least! Leave it open for everyone to have something they want to play, not just a crap shoot every tournament!

I guess since a few people have made reference to the fact that Doggz and Asj were on the team that gave input, I will post my two cents and say I, too, was initially invited and did a little bit at the very beginning, but my input was extremely minor. And to be honest, as it became clear the type of schedule being adopted, I lost interest completely, because this schedule is not for me. Nor is it for anyone who makes a living at online poker. It is designed to generate the biggest pools possible and turnover at the highest rate possible. To everyone in here, that is "bad." But it's not. It's just not what you want.

When they cut the SNE stuff, I didn't care because I'll never grind that much online anyway, but truthfully, those rewards were not a right, they were something they gave to you and now they were taking them away. You all got used to them and assumed they'd never go away, but that isn't Stars' fault. Same with tournaments, you all got used to Stars at least trying to offer the most reg. player friendly events possible, but that was something they chose to do under old management, not a right. They have chosen a different route. One look at my usual time slot of tourneys and I can see why... 20 NLHE events running, like 16 of them have X000 runners (where X is greater than 3)... for two seconds, try to stop thinking like a poker player who is trying hang on to his rent money and look at it like a business owner, would you prefer to run 35 events where 25 of them are bowls that get 200-1000 runners or 20 events crushing 3000-6000 runners? You want max participation. Sure there will be some wiggle room on the structures, some will get a boost, the people who think they won't are stupid. I have chatted with Luke and he's actually a pretty decent guy doing his best with a tough situation. And he does, when he can, try to accommodate regs wishes, but like it or not, "regs" make up a tiny portion of the player base, it just seems like it's an overwhelmingly negative response because of the fact you are on one of, if not the, most informed poker tournament forums on the internet.

The casual players are speaking and they are crushing the eye candy tourneys. It sucks for me, I wanted proper deep stack fields and more 1R1A type events and more medium size Vanillas just like the rest of you, but it was clear that wasn't going to happen. But taking it out on Luke is pointless.

It's a new era online and like it or not, PokerStars is not dying from these changes, nor will they. They have expanded their base, if anything, by offering far more opportunities to parts of the planet that were drastically under served in the old schedule. And all this 888 and PartyPoker will take over nonsense is just that, they aren't any time soon. Just go look at the participation on the site. Everything listed in Red is smashing it's guarantee and the few regular events they did leave are still struggling to even reach the guarantee, let alone get over it.

So, the good players with strong money management skills will learn to handle the swings, fight for the slightly improved structures that will come and work around this to find a way to take advantage of the drastically increased prize pools and the ones who desperately needed the lower variance will go to other sites, go broke or switch to cash games/SNGs.

Anyway those are my thoughts. I'll wait until Monday to see the new structures and decide if I'll be putting any volume in on the new schedule or just basically grinding Sundays from here on out and sticking live. But nevertheless, I think for what Stars is trying to achieve it's ultimately a good schedule and with a few tweaks it should be a cash cow. Thanks for inviting me to help Luke, sorry I couldn't have been much more help than I was.

Just went deep in a low buyin regspeed PKO and gotta say structure was pretty awesome all the way despite 3k entries (not a BB)! Pre-updated-schedule the progs were way deeper and slower (bit too slow)then lets say small bigs, so now they feel like running at old-bigs-speed! Props for that!

On the other hand as stated earlier table volume was considerably lower throughout the session and had free spots on the screen at times where i used to skip stuff. However, i feel like with scoop around the corner you kinda have some time to develop the additions to the schedule till after SCOOP as most people should be able to compensate volume easily by playing satties. Without additions though, volume is just gonna continue to get moved to other sites that would otherwise be below stars in most peoples rankings at some point.

hope the high hyper/turbo rake was a mistake by copypasting buyin/rake splits over from regspeeds, pls fix!

lot of people here have detailed input on various parts of the schedule, are you the only stars employee responsible for tournies? Couldnt possibly someone else answer here as well that is in tune with changes? people here spend a lot of effort on improving mtts (mostly for their own good of course) but still it feels like with the drastic changes and this thread growing by a page every couple minutes i would be beneficial if at least for this period someone joins the stars responses!

Keep up improving, have hope that we get a lot closer to where everybody wants to be!

TBF they are actually fooling some recs and semi-professional poker players with the new structures.

A friend of mine just told me "wooow 25k stack for the super tuesday !! nice ! They could almost have made it a 2 day tournament" when actually the structure is much worse.

But in my opinion this will not last and they will see a serious drop in revenue from people leaving to play on other sites and/or just playing less poker because it's less enjoyable or less profitable.

Vote with you feet and bankrolls guys, go play elsewhere, it's the only solution so stars stops ****ing us, they will do whatever is most profitable for them, nothing else.

PLayed first small session on small laptop today and hated the prime time schedule.
all these different KOs and 6max suck
Also bigs structure needs to be fixed. 8/10/12/15 min plxxx

some grind music for the lovers of the changes................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wV9_je85DE

With all due respect, the schedule that was adopted is in line with your suggestions to the group. You asked for a condensed schedule that had more tournaments with larger, relevant GTDs. That seems to be where we are headed, no? Nobody in the group got close to all of our ideas passed on. Everyone in the group had great ideas and some of them made it into the final cut and others did not. Many of your ideas are reflected in the schedule.

I don't want to dig up private conversations, but if you are going to post about it on the public forum please at least be truthful.

I'm not complaining about the schedule. I think it's good generally. And nowhere did I say none of my ideas were reflected, nor did I claim my interest in being an integral part of it rested solely on the perceived value of my ideas. You entirely missed the point of my message. It was to all the people complaining to get over it. None of the people here have a right to any schedule being any such way. PokerStars provides a service and they are providing to the largest audience they can. Perhaps in times past, their business goals were different, but that's irrelevant.

And you are misconstruing some of my comments in the chats regarding substantial field sizes, there is a difference between relevant guarantees and overblown 7000-runner events, which the schedule now has an abundance of.

I, like everyone who plays and expects to turn a profit, prefer a small to medium field event with as many fish as possible, but I don't expect anyone to simply create a schedule based on that desire, it's unsustainable as a business model. I left because I realized I had little to offer to be honest, especially in comparison to some of the others involved with the group.

I had no desire to create a schedule for the masses really, it's not my job and I don't have a passion for it. I don't think many of my ideas are included, some are, but I didn't even offer enough to have MANY of them included. Certainly some ideas about multiple Bigs in a day and daily/nightly versions are in there and I get partial credit along with others (yourself included on that one), but I couldn't care less about which of my ideas were included or not, the bottom line I was pointing out was that everyone in here is like me, they want to create a schedule perfect for them and don't really care about the entirety of it. I got a very poignant look in the mirror by being offered a seat at the table and realized it wasn't for me really and lost interest because there is a such a massive amount of data and information processing necessary to come up with the schedule, so much of it wildly out of my wheelhouse and the wheelhouses of most people on here that I think it's silly for people to be piling on Luke and constantly complaining about every change that happens. Reasonable changes can occur, but within the framework of what Stars is trying to accomplish only. Hence, you will see structure changes, but you won't see a massive shift backwards in scheduling itself. Nor should they, clearly, as I said the schedule is pretty much kicking ass with the average player based on the field sizes.

You could have made those points without trying to deflect your role.

You're reading my deflection as distancing myself from my involvement, I'm not.

I was deflecting a little at the start of my initial message because I didn't want people to think I did nearly as much work or put as much effort into it as some of you guys did who deserve credit for what you did and what you accomplished. Perhaps I could've made that more clear. My apologies.