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04-26-2016 , 06:14 AM
Structures for hypers & turbos are actually abit better, unfortunately all hypers are now 6-max which is pretty crappy. Please bring back the 9-max hypers which were hugely popular.

+ Bring back the HU mtts!!!! Why have these been removed?? They were popular and several hyper ones ran successfully throughout the day ...
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04-26-2016 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DoGGz
You can see how tough it all is. We've had the following suggestions:

- Hypers too slow
- Reg speed too fast
- Turbos too fast?
- Too many turbos
- Not enough turbos at the right times

and lastly, too many bounties, all while the bounty MTTs crushed expectations today.

I had a bunch of people comment about how they loved the 6max today, so that is good. Hopefully everyone loves the expanded chances with the Super Tuesday tomorrow.

Keep the suggestions coming.
No man,
Reg speed its NONE, put back 2.20 + r, 3.30 + r, 5 1/2r 1a, 8.80 6 max turbo, 13.5 ko, 11 reg speed, 5.50 reg speed, etc let the ante from the first level with 5k starting chip (non rebuy) rebuy tourneys 3k starting chips, 10 min blinds
Hypers are ok
Turbo its not turbo...u say that u have 5k starting chips with ante from first level but now a turbo ends at the same time with a hyper (last structure), sry but that is crap
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04-26-2016 , 06:23 AM
I had suggested Luke not to remove HU mtts. There were 18 hu tourneys in the old schedule. I also felt 6 ante up tourneys was too much. Could have added couple of ultra deep stack tourneys and cutting ante up tourneys to 4.

Majors still missing an ultra deep stack hyper turbo PSKO tourney. SCOOP preview had this tourney and got more than 3200+ entrants(as much entrants as a hot $7.50 gets) even though there were no sats to it and it wasn't announced well in advance.
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04-26-2016 , 06:49 AM
This schedule is horrible. Lots of people just lost their jobs and don't even know it yet.
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04-26-2016 , 06:52 AM
How about you fix the regspeed tournaments and instead introduce some new tournaments with an actual semi-turbo label and 7-8min levels? This way you leave it up to those rec players to decide what to play, since you love to argument with their playing experience.
Right now regspeed structures on Stars look almost like turbos on Party...
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04-26-2016 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
Hey all,

I'd like to update you on my current focus and initial impressions after the first day of play.

This week I'll be focusing on guarantees and structures. During a new schedule launch, it is important to manage guarantees both upward and downward. Every tournament that ran yesterday will be looked at for a guarantee change. Some of these changes are already reflected in the lobby while many will appear in the lobby beginning Monday. 60 changes were made yesterday, of which 13 were reductions and 47 were increases. This only represents the first eight hours of the day.

Additionally, we'll look into tournament lengths from yesterday. We'll be looking at the Bigs, Hots, Bounty Builders, majors, and regular guarantees and will do some comparison work to last week. Any changes to structures will begin play on Monday. I'll provide an update with what will be changing once it has been discussed and decided.

As far as initial impressions:
  • The Monday PLO8 did exceptionally well. As a $530 on Wednesday, this tournament usually had 50-55 entries. Yesterday, it had 92 unique players, 47 re-entries, and a $41.7K prize pool. The guarantee will be increased next week to $30K and analyzed further after some time.
  • The majors did well but in my opinion have the opportunity to grow next week. The early editions were after the communications went out and I believe Monday will be the least popular weekday for majors due to the 6-max format.
  • Double red tournaments during peak times went extremely well!
  • The Phase really kicked off with a bang. Any initial impressions? I've changed to levels played instead of percentage with nearly the same results in terms of players advancing.
  • The regular guarantees need some work. A few tournaments cancelled and others simply weren't popular. They'll be looked at as soon as possible.
  • New PKO non-NLHE/PLO tournaments at peak time did well as expected.

Lastly, for those who don't know, we're running quests for the new schedule. Opt in at your challenges window, complete five of 10, and receive a ticket to a freeroll with $50K+ worth of tickets added.
not telling you how to do your job, just a bit of a no brainer traffic for guarantees taken from a normal monday will be much less than every other day imo. monday is the least played day by all regs and recs in most formats. ud be better taking the average from monday to friday for your datat then u have some days that have more traffic (tue/thu) and days that are quiet (mon/wed) will give you much better data.

hoping to see the bounty builders and bigs and hots change on monday
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04-26-2016 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by LOLCh1pPorn
This.

Luke, I don't think this thread has ever been spammed with more comments before. Pretty much the whole mtt community loves your schedule and hates your structure changes. You gave everyone an impression that you would be responsive to feedback so it's time to really show that.

Pretty much all tourneys play way too shallow and the changes in payouts are lol. I don't care how many stars tourneys are sirening me, I will cram as much of other site games in my schedule as possible if things stay this way.

I played 45 mtts yesterday, all stars and had a blast. With some structure changes and ideally the old payout table, I'd be doing this errrryday with a smile on my face and I'm sure a lot of people would too.

Please don't leave us all hanging
This
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04-26-2016 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by betrthanphil
This schedule is horrible. Lots of people just lost their jobs and don't even know it yet.
Can you be more specific? What exactly you don't like about this new schedule?
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04-26-2016 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by anuj22
Can you be more specific? What exactly you don't like about this new schedule?
I think he reffered more @ structure of mtts more than the schedule itself..And i think he s right, especially regarding micro and low stakes regs..Basically people that made 4,5$/game, right now will barelly make 2$ since there are basically 2,3 reg speed mtts outhere..
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04-26-2016 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
Hey all,

I'd like to update you on my current focus and initial impressions after the first day of play.

This week I'll be focusing on guarantees and structures. During a new schedule launch, it is important to manage guarantees both upward and downward. Every tournament that ran yesterday will be looked at for a guarantee change. Some of these changes are already reflected in the lobby while many will appear in the lobby beginning Monday. 60 changes were made yesterday, of which 13 were reductions and 47 were increases. This only represents the first eight hours of the day.

Additionally, we'll look into tournament lengths from yesterday. We'll be looking at the Bigs, Hots, Bounty Builders, majors, and regular guarantees and will do some comparison work to last week. Any changes to structures will begin play on Monday. I'll provide an update with what will be changing once it has been discussed and decided.

As far as initial impressions:
  • The Monday PLO8 did exceptionally well. As a $530 on Wednesday, this tournament usually had 50-55 entries. Yesterday, it had 92 unique players, 47 re-entries, and a $41.7K prize pool. The guarantee will be increased next week to $30K and analyzed further after some time.
  • The majors did well but in my opinion have the opportunity to grow next week. The early editions were after the communications went out and I believe Monday will be the least popular weekday for majors due to the 6-max format.
  • Double red tournaments during peak times went extremely well!
  • The Phase really kicked off with a bang. Any initial impressions? I've changed to levels played instead of percentage with nearly the same results in terms of players advancing.
  • The regular guarantees need some work. A few tournaments cancelled and others simply weren't popular. They'll be looked at as soon as possible.
  • New PKO non-NLHE/PLO tournaments at peak time did well as expected.

Lastly, for those who don't know, we're running quests for the new schedule. Opt in at your challenges window, complete five of 10, and receive a ticket to a freeroll with $50K+ worth of tickets added.
Based on your latest post, it seems like you're clearly ignoring the fact that many players are unhappy with non-existence of regular speed freezouts at micro-low stakes ($3-$15). Please at least acknowledge if you are not intending to add them back to the schedule.
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04-26-2016 , 07:22 AM
#FixTheBigs !!!
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04-26-2016 , 07:30 AM
So I haven't checked in on Stars for a while until today. Summing up it looks like schedule is nice but nearly every tournament is at best a semi turbo cutting already tight rois further?
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04-26-2016 , 07:32 AM
Why are people so upset about a slight increase in speed of the big tournaments? Isn't the gutting of the rebuys a bigger deal for you professionals?

I'm a casual player.The only rebuy I played since the changes in structure(1$ splash) had a structure that was not only way worse for regulars but also it just wasn't any fun to play. At least the bigs have some play left in them, this rebuy did not. The rebuys used to be my favorite tourneys.

On top of that it seems they removed a lot of the rebuys. I'm not a professional player but it was fairly obvious to me that even after the rake increases of rebuys these kind of tournaments(rebuys) were still WAY more profitable than the BIGs and the structure changes to the bigs are a lot smaller than the ones made to the rebuys. The rebuys simply have no play left in them and just not fun. The addon is like 3 big blinds. I doubt a fun player would enjoy playing them. This seems to be a bigger deal to the tourney ecosystem than a slight increase in speed in the bigs?

What am I missing?
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04-26-2016 , 07:36 AM
These payouts just make it pointless playing micro/low stakes mtts now.Its so hard to beat a field of thousands and now when you do you are not even getting a decent prize compared to what it use to be.
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04-26-2016 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Mi$terMJ
Luke,

Just played my first session (late-night/early morning EU) and the new schedule is MUCH better than expected. Whereas before on the worst times of the day I wouldn't be able to play more than 3 tables and now I could easily 8-table at any time. Literally a life-saver there, changed me from someone trying to play as little on stars as possible to an amaya fanboy. Send me your picture and I'll frame it to put it on the shelf above my bed.

As for the new structures:

Hypers play a bit deeper, makes up for the rake-changes a bit great
Hots also seem to play a bit deeper, shorter early stages with the 4min levels great
Bounty builders, best improvement so far. They were way too slow making a lot of them not worth playing, structure seems perfect now great

Bigs, yea they seem to play faster but we also get more of them. Therefore it won't hurt my EV so I really don't care, there's more than enough boring 10h mtt's on other sites on my schedule already.

I'd suggest giving the bigs the same structure as the BB's, just give these kids their candy.
If you want to play more volume with fast structure and less levels go play spins.
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04-26-2016 , 07:41 AM


cliffs: Bigs are confirmed turbos
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04-26-2016 , 07:48 AM
Hi, this is my very first post on this forum. I registered today in order to say my opinion.
Beeing a low stake grinder, as so many others i was totally shocked yesterday when i opened the software !!!!

I used to play some bigs but the chances of getting in the real money are too low and involves too much gambling imho. That's why I prefer from far the standard normal speed tourneys up to around 1000 players , which have lower variance.

AND WHAT ????? You deleted all our good old 4,40 8 max, 5,50, 3,30 and 8,80 ????

Frankly WTF ??? These tourney had a (close to) perfect structure and length in order to play real poker.

Now: ony turbos and bigs + stupid crappy formats for bingo players. And that 5000 chips stack for what ??? To give the impression we get more poker with one dollar ??? JOKE !!

The site used to look like it was'designed for good poker, now it looks like it is designed for gambling and donk play.

The software nevertheless remains excellent, so I won't leave PS instantly. I hardly only played on PS but what is clear ils that I will study other sites in order to see what they offer.

As many other players here, i don't like beeing taken for a fool.
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04-26-2016 , 07:51 AM
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cliffs: Bigs are confirmed turbos
In b4 we have 100 big per day that are all 6-max hypers with 2min levels that pay 20% of the field.
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04-26-2016 , 07:53 AM
Could we have more info on the new pay out structure ?

In some of my tournaments yesterday did not see any real change, still around 15% paid and almost double the buy in for the first ones itm.

Did see a HUGE change in the 320 though. First when the late reg closed we were only 20/97 and 18 players were paid (^^). 18 out of 97 is too much imo. But the main issue was that the first itm were to win 370. A x1.2 pay out is... sick ! We choped in the end but without a deal the winner was still getting a comfy 7600.

Btw and just for the record, the BIG i played yesterday lasted 7h15. I agree it's shorter but there were around 650 players so I think it's still a pretty decent running time, and it is definitely not a turbo. A turbo with 700 players (a "HOT") would , before the changes, more likely have lasted around 4h30. Still 8 hours would be nice but 7h16 is not AS BAD as every one seems to think it is.

Last edited by Roc_Xel; 04-26-2016 at 08:12 AM.
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04-26-2016 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chinagambler
If you want to play more volume with fast structure and less levels go play spins.

Why? Spins are very much different from mtt's, a lot of people (including regs) actually prefer faster formats (for obv. Reasons like higher hourly etc.).
Don't get me wrong I do like having 'regular' mtt's, most of my volume comes from them, I just don't really care about a couple tournaments playing out a bit faster. Once again everyone acts like the sky is falling when really, your roi is going to drop by a couple % and your hourly will stay the same/improve.

Having said that, I still believe bigs should be deeper since 16bb ft's are just ridic, make them like the current bounty builder structures, they're great.
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04-26-2016 , 08:03 AM
would reeaaaaally love a sunday deepstack in the 33-109$ range, copy the triomphe structure from .fr it's so dreamy.

12:00-15:00 CET seems like an ok slot, just make it early.

also change will always trigger negative feedback, ppl like what they have and are scared if it changes. what really worries me is the big # of ppl signing up or having <20 Posts being very unhappy. you don't just have to make regs happy, seems like the micro/mixed games crowd hasn't been considered for feedback.

agree on overall structure overhaul and payout structures obv, both very ridic.

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04-26-2016 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by anuj22
Can you be more specific? What exactly you don't like about this new schedule?
Whats there to like? Amaya made schedule for exactly what they needed to make more rake. Regs are gonna have an endless turnover of tourneys with these structures. Not to mention half the tourneys in the schedule seem to be PKOs which, with their specific wild play, increase turnover even more. Also the non existence of any good low-midstakes schedule makes players have to play higher just to get some tables.

The only thing they really screwed up on is not having more tourneys with such a high turnover rate existing in this schedule. I'd be shocked if 75% of regs weren't looking everywhere for a tourney to reg at some point yesterday. You'll start to notice when 3 hours into your grind that your already at your average daily buyins from the schedule before.

If you guys think writing here and complaining is gonna do anything, I think your mistaken as well. Amaya has no reason to care about regs. Big enough player pool in the world that people will have no choice but to play stars and recs will always be on stars. They will probably keep someone around to blow smoke up our ass tho, convincing us changes will be made for us in future that we will like, that will never come.

We live in a capitalist world, and we as poker players are now finding out just how good we had it before. Dont expect things to get better, because that would just be naive.

Not gonna edit this, had 5 mins to write it on break.
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04-26-2016 , 08:07 AM
oh forgot, they also took money off final tables.....also good for recs, shocking. Nice of them to create the illusion to recs that they are winning, when they are not.
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04-26-2016 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ONLYRAISEAA
would reeaaaaally love a sunday deepstack in the 33-109$ range, copy the triomphe structure from .fr it's so dreamy.

12:00-15:00 CET seems like an ok slot, just make it early.

also change will always trigger negative feedback, ppl like what they have and are scared if it changes. what really worries me is the big # of ppl signing up or having <20 Posts being very unhappy. you don't just have to make regs happy, seems like the micro/mixed games crowd hasn't been considered for feedback.

agree on overall structur overhaul and payout structures obv, both very ridic.
Sunday marathon is in the client might fit the bill
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04-26-2016 , 08:10 AM
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Sunday marathon is in the client might fit the bill
wellll guess I have to check the schedule a bit better first thx
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