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04-25-2016 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
Imho we weren't asking for a BETTER structure in the bigs, we wanted to make them feel just a bit more special by having a 5k starting stack.
u serious or drugs?
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04-25-2016 , 10:29 AM
New structure is very crazy.

Normal MTT are gone. All are now turbo.

Soon they will have very big overlay.
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04-25-2016 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by rounder63
u serious or drugs?
I thought structures in bigs were fine as they were, you didn't?

Edit: Note, by not better, I also mean not worse OBV
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04-25-2016 , 10:32 AM
Real excited about the schedule, if we can just tweak these structures... its like the only problem
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04-25-2016 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Tithayer
<3 at all PLOs being 6-max now
Can you clarify if your statement applies to PLO only, or NLO8 and PLO8 as well? I have no beefs with PLO being all 6max.

I think Pokerstars has grouped the three games into one, and its resulting in some frustrating results.
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04-25-2016 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
The way I see it wrt structures

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04-25-2016 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
I thought structures in bigs were fine as they were, you didn't?

Edit: Note, by not better, I also mean not worse OBV
In biggers were fine but now Luke just killed them and also made semi-turbo structure for all bigs.
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04-25-2016 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
I thought structures in bigs were fine as they were, you didn't?

Edit: Note, by not better, I also mean not worse OBV


structures in bigs where fine and great, i really dont get or understand WHO IS SAYING they need to speed the tournaments up thats a huge joke. if you want to play a fast tournament play a turbo there seems to be alot of those on the schedule, for the people that want to actually sit down and play seems to be a big demand for that. Just because some high stakes reg doenst want to play the big 22 on a sunday cus it rapes there hourly/rapes table space doesnt reflect the entire population. Part of the reason poker is dieing is because the "poker" part of poker is leaving.

Like i said i think the schedule looks freaking amazing just fix the structures lol, the 3k starting in rebuys look great, almost dont care about the rake if theres actually room to play
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04-25-2016 , 10:43 AM
big 162 finished pretty deep it looks like can someone grab a screenshot of that?... i think its beecause it didnt reach the ******ed missing levels deep
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04-25-2016 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by broken_jia
Can you clarify if your statement applies to PLO only, or NLO8 and PLO8 as well? I have no beefs with PLO being all 6max.

I think Pokerstars has grouped the three games into one, and its resulting in some frustrating results.
PLO and PLO8, NLO8 is a weird game anyway, don't really know what to think about it. But I prefer 6-max over 9-max in general
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04-25-2016 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rounder63
big 162 finished pretty deep it looks like can someone grab a screenshot of that?... i think its beecause it didnt reach the ******ed missing levels deep
Ye it's ft in 3.5 hours that's why.. It definitely won't be like this on a Sunday or if the tour peaks more.
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04-25-2016 , 10:53 AM
Every tournament does feel like a turbo, but this isnt a mistake.Probably see some adjustments but not as slow as all would want because edges need to be cut.

I do think they have pushed it too far this time tho, with ****ty payouts and structures.Alot more players will move on this time and not just talk about doing so.
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04-25-2016 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JamiMartinCZ
New structure is very crazy.

Normal MTT are gone. All are now turbo.

Soon they will have very big overlay shrink GTDs.
fyp
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04-25-2016 , 10:57 AM
Why this slowroll ?

Just pull of the bandage at once !
Fullfill ur wet dream , just cut all games and have 1 big , 1 hot and 1 BB run each hour.
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04-25-2016 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
The way I see it wrt structures

Bounty builders fine as they are, sure they are somewhat less deep but still very playable
Rebuys are actually very good as far as I can see
Turbos great as well
Hypers stayed the same, which is fine
Regspeed mtt's (including progko) good as well

The biggest red flag are just the bigs imho. This went from being the best structured mtt's towards the worst ones. I think you've really underestimated/or overestimated better the effect of a 5k starting stack. Avg is just too small in endgames now. You seem to forget the structure in the bigs also had all his 'inbetween-levels' cut, which makes the structure also worse. Therefore you really have to compensate the end stage with longer levels imho.

I would suggest something like this:

Shortest levels (whether it's 7/8 or 9 mins) until either 250/500 or 300/600 is reached (so start level 16 or 17)
Mid levels (add one minute each) until bb 1500/3000 is reached (so start level 27)
Longest levels (add two minutes more) from 2000/4000 till the end

I also said this in the partypoker thread once, but the jump in structures from 1.5/3k to 2/4k is just too huge and I think it's a breaking point in the structure, therefore would suggest increasing the level time again at that point.

So you then basically would get either

7/8/10 minutes for smallest bigs
8/9/11 minutes for midstakes bigs
9/10/12 for highstakes bigs

I think this simple adjustment would already make a huge difference.
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Originally Posted by rounder63
structures in bigs where fine and great, i really dont get or understand WHO IS SAYING they need to speed the tournaments up thats a huge joke. if you want to play a fast tournament play a turbo there seems to be alot of those on the schedule, for the people that want to actually sit down and play seems to be a big demand for that. Just because some high stakes reg doenst want to play the big 22 on a sunday cus it rapes there hourly/rapes table space doesnt reflect the entire population. Part of the reason poker is dieing is because the "poker" part of poker is leaving.

Like i said i think the schedule looks freaking amazing just fix the structures lol, the 3k starting in rebuys look great, almost dont care about the rake if theres actually room to play
I totally agree with you rounder, that's why I've already voiced my opinion in this post above.
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04-25-2016 , 11:04 AM
Y'all just need to appreciate the beauty of playing 5bb deep
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04-25-2016 , 11:05 AM
IMO Amaya is saying that and Luke has to do this. If only he can come clean and stop coming with fake logic (referring to conversations to pros and recs LOL).
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04-25-2016 , 11:06 AM
With the new structures you have ruined midstakes MTT:s, I only play bigs for there slow structure I dont wannt to play turbos please stop trying to make me play turbos. Im going to partypoker until you resolve this hit
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04-25-2016 , 11:09 AM
I miss the $8-$11 4k-10k side events. Really good for a low stakes grinder. And yes the old structure of the bigs were great, don't know how I feel about the new structure.
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04-25-2016 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Alternativ
Y'all just need to appreciate the beauty of playing 5bb deep

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04-25-2016 , 11:14 AM
Wow hadn't even noticed Hots starting with 4min levels (and never going above 5), that's ridiculous. Who has ever written to you saying the turbo MTTs were too slow?
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04-25-2016 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BMakk
IMO Amaya is saying that and Luke has to do this. If only he can come clean and stop coming with fake logic (referring to conversations to pros and recs LOL).
Pretty much this.

He has a job to do and I think many on here could use a dose of reality. When people ask for better structures it's to increase their win rates. Pokerstars has made it clear that you are the enemy. If you're a losing player the faster the structure the better your chances and your deposit will go a little further in the rake department. Not necessarily the amount of play if time was the metric but the amount of rake... which is the metric of choice at Amaya.

Luke has no intention of doing what people on here want so it's a waste of time offering suggestions when what you want and what he wants are at opposite ends of the spectrum. I expect things to still get worse as win rates haven't yet fallen enough to be inline with other games formats.
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04-25-2016 , 11:20 AM
what have you done to the Omaha hi-lo schedule and mixed games in general, these changes are crazy, I can understand adding more 6 max but changing them all to 6 max is insane! ( did even 1 person actually ask for this change?)

you need to atleast add back the 16.50 omania at 11.05, the 12.50 ko at 12.05, the omania 8.80 at 17.05, 27 psko at 18.05, 27 omania at 23.05 and the 27 psko at 00.05 (all times gmt)

they were really good thriving tournaments for Omaha hi-lo players, there are others that should be added back also but lets see if these get rolled back into the schedule first before we go down that rabbit hole.
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04-25-2016 , 11:24 AM
Lot of reg speed + hypers have disappeared and pretty much everything is now turbo. Why get rid of variation? Bring the hypers back for those who want to gamble it up and not sign up for a 3+ hour session and bring the reg speeds back for people who want to play normal serious poker instead of forcing everyone into the turbo boat.

+ why get rid of all the HU mtts?
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04-25-2016 , 11:29 AM
whats happened with mtt filters recently? totally screwed up.

any fix on the way?
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