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Originally Posted by Sect7G
I just noticed Flip Satellites in the lobby... That charge rake
Flips in a nutshell are a gimmick that reeks of desperation. The sites that have tried this or other gimmicks in the past have all been on the downside and have failed to figure out a way to increase participation in their satellites or have refused to realize that their guarantees are too high considering their player base.
Up to the $4 dollar price point they are ok (rake free) but at the $25 dollar price point they are counter productive even from Unibets perspective. A player that's dumb enough to play a raked flip to the Saturday stack is almost surely dead money in the target tourney. This isn't what Unibet wants as his bank roll will deplete too quickly and without enough enjoyment to keep him depositing.
I have played satellites for a long time on various sites and my knowledge in this niche area to increase players in the target tourney in a healthy manner is near the very top in this industry. In the past my feedback has brought change for Pokerstars, Full Tilt and Party Poker in regards to satellites. I have flaws but this isn't one of them.
Right now some of the flaws for unibet are to do with the structure and how it relates to late reg. You are giving "winning" players an edge over recreational players by a substandard offering. This can be easily tweaked which will give more recreational players a better chance of winning tickets to the target tourney.
Another flaw is Unibets failure to enhance their satellite program based on projected end times of the satellite. I understand that Unibet uses tickets so the effect isn't quite as strong but the underlying principle of the duration of satellites in relation to the start of the target tourney is one that Unibet is missing across the board. Currently players are seeing a generic satellite program that puts no emphasis on duration of the satellite in regards to the commencement of the target tourney.
Even the ticket program could be adjusted to benefit the site with no expense to the player.
If you'd like some specific feedback please reach out to me... as I really don't want to see Unibet resort to flips or other gimmicks which have no staying power and don't even work as a band aid. Unibet is a growing site and is filled with good people.
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Originally Posted by OldBurf
Yeah those flip quals seem a bit random after all the other things Unibet is trying to accomplish.
~6% rake = madness! :O Especially since you willingly lowered the deep crazy rake.
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Originally Posted by UnibetAndrew
Just thought I'd mention that Robin was testing out whether we could make a flip tournament with the tools we currently have to plan. It's just chance that you ran across it, this isn't the long term plan.
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
Right now in the lobby there's a couple of 2 euro flip tourneys... but upon opening the lobby it seems that it isn't a flip but more like a hyper sng with 1 minute blinds.
No real flips please.
Also these are advertised in the rotating news portion in the main lobby when you log in. Seems like the promo behind them might distract players from real news/promos... if these are just a test thing.
Thanks for sharing your concerns guys
We were thinking about flip formats for the following reasons:
- Delivering wider game offering to our players;
- Unibet is a multichannel product and this type might be appealing to other customers from other channels. This could be just a first step to get them interested in poker;
- Players who can’t or don’t want to play a qualifier, but still would like to have a shot into a higher event;
- We could use flip variants for promotional purposes, instead of standard draws and give-aways or freerolls (to play them for hours), the way we do it at the moment for instance on stream. We could give everyone a ticket to a flip tournament, instead of calling out a name from a hat.
- Some players who have multiple lower value tickets in their account (from challenges) and normally don’t bother to use them will have an extra option at least that might appeal.
Regarding the comments:
The price point argument sounds like an opinion or assumption. I played raked flip qualifiers myself with very notable top pro grinders and I believe we were in it for the same reason, it was a nice way to add qualifiers to an already full schedule and it took pressure of the grind. I don’t believe these top pro grinders are dead money in any target event.
However we agree that the fee should be lower. It was set up with this standard amount, because we were testing. It should be less than our Crazy Deep games. I will change this to 2% now.
Bear in mind this is just a test to get an understanding of how it is received by our players and the way it is set up at the moment is just the way it is possible to test it. This is also why it is advertised in the rotating news section, to make players aware of them.
As Andrew said, this is not the final or only form we will use it for.