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**Official Unibet MTT Discussion Thread** **Official Unibet MTT Discussion Thread**

01-15-2016 , 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sect7G
Will Unibet start running seat only MTT's for UO London? If so, could you make it not Country specific.
At the moment there are no seat only qualifiers, but if we are going to run them I will vote for not Country specific as well.
01-15-2016 , 01:08 PM
Can we expect re-buy/re-entry MTT's any soon? I think those will run very good on Unibet considering a lot of players like to gamble. Also a bit more diversity in the schedule will look more 'fun'.
01-17-2016 , 04:31 AM
+1
01-18-2016 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Turn
Can we expect re-buy/re-entry MTT's any soon? I think those will run very good on Unibet considering a lot of players like to gamble. Also a bit more diversity in the schedule will look more 'fun'.
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Originally Posted by Petermanneke
+1
Re-buys is on the list, re-entries in the form seen elsewhere is not on the list for now. I won't promise anything soon, thanks for understanding.
01-18-2016 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by UnibetRep
Re-buys is on the list, re-entries in the form seen elsewhere is not on the list for now. I won't promise anything soon, thanks for understanding.
Ty for striving for higher prizepools without trying to increase margins.
01-19-2016 , 05:26 PM
Thanks for the twenty seven promo.
Managed to take down the 1k freeroll.
Was a fun event.
01-19-2016 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jonny2192
Thanks for the twenty seven promo.
Managed to take down the 1k freeroll.
Was a fun event.
thin.
01-20-2016 , 06:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny2192
Thanks for the twenty seven promo.
Managed to take down the 1k freeroll.
Was a fun event.
Congratulations! and a nice trophy screenshot!
01-21-2016 , 08:12 AM
Does anyone have information about tournaments that frequently overlay?
01-21-2016 , 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petermanneke
Does anyone have information about tournaments that frequently overlay?
I do!
01-21-2016 , 07:07 PM
Is it possible to give an overview of the tournaments that frequently overlay and what the average overlay is for those tournaments? If it's shareable of course (but I guess if people know about the overlay, they will register and cause less overlay, which means you guys lose less money on them, right?)
01-22-2016 , 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Petermanneke
Is it possible to give an overview of the tournaments that frequently overlay and what the average overlay is for those tournaments? If it's shareable of course (but I guess if people know about the overlay, they will register and cause less overlay, which means you guys lose less money on them, right?)
To be honest the overlays vary very much along different type of games and qualifiers at times. There is no fixed list, which would mean such a list should be updated regularly. Also from an ecology and loyalty point of view, posting such lists here might help overlays a bit, but goes against our philosophy.
It means players will just target certain games by the information on the list giving to them and will have an advantage compared to our regular loyal grinders, who also play games that crush the guarantee. It is in every one’s best interest to figure out by yourself which games are best for you in terms of play-ability and value.
01-22-2016 , 08:07 AM
I totally agree.
01-22-2016 , 09:56 AM
Makes sense. Thanks for the answer.
01-23-2016 , 02:41 AM
How about some monthly "Super event" which offers part in Unibet Open packages and part in cash prizes? Like 50k€ guaranteed which gives 10x 2k€ packages and guaranteeds 30k€ in cash in addition? Could run some Super Sunday event which once in a month replaces regular 6 seat UO satellite?

Lots of satellites, lots of marketing both in poker and in other Unibet products and maybe some new daily tournaments as well for both to support and gain from new tournament?
01-23-2016 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
How about some monthly "Super event" which offers part in Unibet Open packages and part in cash prizes? Like 50k€ guaranteed which gives 10x 2k€ packages and guaranteeds 30k€ in cash in addition? Could run some Super Sunday event which once in a month replaces regular 6 seat UO satellite?

Lots of satellites, lots of marketing both in poker and in other Unibet products and maybe some new daily tournaments as well for both to support and gain from new tournament?
I like this.

Generally I like the structure and the seat guarantees for the Sunday version of the 250 UO tourney but once in a while a little shakeup could do it some good. Even once a month bumping it to 10 packages (if you can't run a hybrid payout) would be a nice way to bring extra exposure to the UO's in the client. A 10-15 package guarantee as a final deadline satellite would work.
01-23-2016 , 07:32 AM
Final deadline 250 would be great. Especially if Unibet would also run more sats that week.

Also a lot of my friends are 'complaining' that the €2 and €10 UO sats aren't running enough. Because they are students or have a normal job they can't play them enough. I think step-sngs for the lower buy-ins would fix that problem as they can play more than one satellite every night.

I think step-sngs where you can win a MTT ticket would also increase the traffic in the higher MTT's.
01-23-2016 , 06:34 PM
Without doubt rebuys are the absolute best way to inflate prize pools in satellites. I know it's in the works and as soon as it gets implemented you guys will have no trouble running 10eu rebuys directly to the 250's. Rebuys allows the site to skip a level in the "step" system of price points that they currently have. Right now switching the 25 UO that feeds the 250 to 10 minute blinds and switching the 10 multibuy to 5-8 minute levels would add more runners since the late reg period could be extended without the risk of sniping occurring.

I also think they should be running seat onlys as the event draws closer. For myself as an out of towner I have a deal with a friend that whomever wins a package the other guy can stay with him for free which means the other guy only needs a seat. Plus in a market like London there are tons of local players that wouldn't need a hotel.
01-25-2016 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Petermanneke
Makes sense. Thanks for the answer.
you are welcome

Quote:
Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
How about some monthly "Super event" which offers part in Unibet Open packages and part in cash prizes? Like 50k€ guaranteed which gives 10x 2k€ packages and guaranteeds 30k€ in cash in addition? Could run some Super Sunday event which once in a month replaces regular 6 seat UO satellite?

Lots of satellites, lots of marketing both in poker and in other Unibet products and maybe some new daily tournaments as well for both to support and gain from new tournament?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sect7G
I like this.

Generally I like the structure and the seat guarantees for the Sunday version of the 250 UO tourney but once in a while a little shakeup could do it some good. Even once a month bumping it to 10 packages (if you can't run a hybrid payout) would be a nice way to bring extra exposure to the UO's in the client. A 10-15 package guarantee as a final deadline satellite would work.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turn
Final deadline 250 would be great. Especially if Unibet would also run more sats that week.

Also a lot of my friends are 'complaining' that the €2 and €10 UO sats aren't running enough. Because they are students or have a normal job they can't play them enough. I think step-sngs for the lower buy-ins would fix that problem as they can play more than one satellite every night.

I think step-sngs where you can win a MTT ticket would also increase the traffic in the higher MTT's.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sect7G
Without doubt rebuys are the absolute best way to inflate prize pools in satellites. I know it's in the works and as soon as it gets implemented you guys will have no trouble running 10eu rebuys directly to the 250's. Rebuys allows the site to skip a level in the "step" system of price points that they currently have. Right now switching the 25 UO that feeds the 250 to 10 minute blinds and switching the 10 multibuy to 5-8 minute levels would add more runners since the late reg period could be extended without the risk of sniping occurring.

I also think they should be running seat onlys as the event draws closer. For myself as an out of towner I have a deal with a friend that whomever wins a package the other guy can stay with him for free which means the other guy only needs a seat. Plus in a market like London there are tons of local players that wouldn't need a hotel.
Thanks for all the input!
- I like the idea of a shake up once in a while, preferably close to the event.
- Good to know players would like to play more €2 & €10 UO sats during the day.
- I will fwd the seat only feedback to the Unibet Open team.
01-26-2016 , 10:39 AM
I just noticed Flip Satellites in the lobby... That charge rake

Flips in a nutshell are a gimmick that reeks of desperation. The sites that have tried this or other gimmicks in the past have all been on the downside and have failed to figure out a way to increase participation in their satellites or have refused to realize that their guarantees are too high considering their player base.

Up to the $4 dollar price point they are ok (rake free) but at the $25 dollar price point they are counter productive even from Unibets perspective. A player that's dumb enough to play a raked flip to the Saturday stack is almost surely dead money in the target tourney. This isn't what Unibet wants as his bank roll will deplete too quickly and without enough enjoyment to keep him depositing.

I have played satellites for a long time on various sites and my knowledge in this niche area to increase players in the target tourney in a healthy manner is near the very top in this industry. In the past my feedback has brought change for Pokerstars, Full Tilt and Party Poker in regards to satellites. I have flaws but this isn't one of them.

Right now some of the flaws for unibet are to do with the structure and how it relates to late reg. You are giving "winning" players an edge over recreational players by a substandard offering. This can be easily tweaked which will give more recreational players a better chance of winning tickets to the target tourney.

Another flaw is Unibets failure to enhance their satellite program based on projected end times of the satellite. I understand that Unibet uses tickets so the effect isn't quite as strong but the underlying principle of the duration of satellites in relation to the start of the target tourney is one that Unibet is missing across the board. Currently players are seeing a generic satellite program that puts no emphasis on duration of the satellite in regards to the commencement of the target tourney.

Even the ticket program could be adjusted to benefit the site with no expense to the player.

If you'd like some specific feedback please reach out to me... as I really don't want to see Unibet resort to flips or other gimmicks which have no staying power and don't even work as a band aid. Unibet is a growing site and is filled with good people.
01-27-2016 , 07:32 AM
Is it possible to change the structure of the ' 19:30 €25,00 €150 GTD Turbo Bounty' into the same structure the '20:00 €10,00 €250 GTD Ten Bounty' has? I think a non-turbo format would get way more players than it has now.
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01-27-2016 , 08:57 AM
Yeah those flip quals seem a bit random after all the other things Unibet is trying to accomplish.

~6% rake = madness! :O Especially since you willingly lowered the deep crazy rake.
01-27-2016 , 09:31 AM
Just thought I'd mention that Robin was testing out whether we could make a flip tournament with the tools we currently have to plan. It's just chance that you ran across it, this isn't the long term plan.
01-27-2016 , 09:58 AM
Right now in the lobby there's a couple of 2 euro flip tourneys... but upon opening the lobby it seems that it isn't a flip but more like a hyper sng with 1 minute blinds.

No real flips please.

Also these are advertised in the rotating news portion in the main lobby when you log in. Seems like the promo behind them might distract players from real news/promos... if these are just a test thing.
01-27-2016 , 11:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sect7G
I just noticed Flip Satellites in the lobby... That charge rake

Flips in a nutshell are a gimmick that reeks of desperation. The sites that have tried this or other gimmicks in the past have all been on the downside and have failed to figure out a way to increase participation in their satellites or have refused to realize that their guarantees are too high considering their player base.

Up to the $4 dollar price point they are ok (rake free) but at the $25 dollar price point they are counter productive even from Unibets perspective. A player that's dumb enough to play a raked flip to the Saturday stack is almost surely dead money in the target tourney. This isn't what Unibet wants as his bank roll will deplete too quickly and without enough enjoyment to keep him depositing.

I have played satellites for a long time on various sites and my knowledge in this niche area to increase players in the target tourney in a healthy manner is near the very top in this industry. In the past my feedback has brought change for Pokerstars, Full Tilt and Party Poker in regards to satellites. I have flaws but this isn't one of them.

Right now some of the flaws for unibet are to do with the structure and how it relates to late reg. You are giving "winning" players an edge over recreational players by a substandard offering. This can be easily tweaked which will give more recreational players a better chance of winning tickets to the target tourney.

Another flaw is Unibets failure to enhance their satellite program based on projected end times of the satellite. I understand that Unibet uses tickets so the effect isn't quite as strong but the underlying principle of the duration of satellites in relation to the start of the target tourney is one that Unibet is missing across the board. Currently players are seeing a generic satellite program that puts no emphasis on duration of the satellite in regards to the commencement of the target tourney.

Even the ticket program could be adjusted to benefit the site with no expense to the player.

If you'd like some specific feedback please reach out to me... as I really don't want to see Unibet resort to flips or other gimmicks which have no staying power and don't even work as a band aid. Unibet is a growing site and is filled with good people.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldBurf
Yeah those flip quals seem a bit random after all the other things Unibet is trying to accomplish.

~6% rake = madness! :O Especially since you willingly lowered the deep crazy rake.
Quote:
Originally Posted by UnibetAndrew
Just thought I'd mention that Robin was testing out whether we could make a flip tournament with the tools we currently have to plan. It's just chance that you ran across it, this isn't the long term plan.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sect7G
Right now in the lobby there's a couple of 2 euro flip tourneys... but upon opening the lobby it seems that it isn't a flip but more like a hyper sng with 1 minute blinds.

No real flips please.

Also these are advertised in the rotating news portion in the main lobby when you log in. Seems like the promo behind them might distract players from real news/promos... if these are just a test thing.
Thanks for sharing your concerns guys

We were thinking about flip formats for the following reasons:

- Delivering wider game offering to our players;
- Unibet is a multichannel product and this type might be appealing to other customers from other channels. This could be just a first step to get them interested in poker;
- Players who can’t or don’t want to play a qualifier, but still would like to have a shot into a higher event;
- We could use flip variants for promotional purposes, instead of standard draws and give-aways or freerolls (to play them for hours), the way we do it at the moment for instance on stream. We could give everyone a ticket to a flip tournament, instead of calling out a name from a hat.
- Some players who have multiple lower value tickets in their account (from challenges) and normally don’t bother to use them will have an extra option at least that might appeal.

Regarding the comments:
The price point argument sounds like an opinion or assumption. I played raked flip qualifiers myself with very notable top pro grinders and I believe we were in it for the same reason, it was a nice way to add qualifiers to an already full schedule and it took pressure of the grind. I don’t believe these top pro grinders are dead money in any target event.
However we agree that the fee should be lower. It was set up with this standard amount, because we were testing. It should be less than our Crazy Deep games. I will change this to 2% now.
Bear in mind this is just a test to get an understanding of how it is received by our players and the way it is set up at the moment is just the way it is possible to test it. This is also why it is advertised in the rotating news section, to make players aware of them.

As Andrew said, this is not the final or only form we will use it for.

      
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