Pot-Limit is not No-Limit!

The 9max PLO are absolutely fine, too. There are many big multiway-pots and general action. Many players, including myself have a very decent ROI over a meaningfull sample at PLO Hi 9max. And I play with +34% VPIP on average in 9max PLO Hi!

Those who complain about them just can't adjust to 9max, imho. And those who want antes for PLO Hi are either thinking very shortsighted, or intentionally want to make PLO a preflop-game, for whatever reason (maybe because they suck postflop, and/or want push/fold poker like nlhe turbos or SnG, who knows...).

Antes for PLO Hi have been discussed to death, and they make no sense. Imagine how the game would play with antes...
With very low equity-edges preflop, you'd basically be forced to play 100% out of the BB, as long as noone made a 3bet pre, and as soon as people put 1+1 together, it will become a moronic preflop-game, by far worse than NLHE turbos.

Antes for NLO Hi and NLO8 are standard for a reason, but antes for PLO Hi in MTT's are simply the worst idea I ever heard!

I don't know how far you went with this thought of antes for PLO8 - I know you play these; don't play them myself - but please refrain from asking for antes in PLO Hi.



No offense intended, but after the request to show the 530$ 8-Game final-table with open cards each week (30 player MTT...), I just didn't think that there would be an even worse request for non-nlhe MTT's being made ITT...

As you may see, I am seriously pissed.
You don't see me coming in here making requests for PLO8 or NLO8, which I don't really grind myself. That's a question of respect of one another, imo...

I'm pretty sure that your disrespect was not intended, and maybe PLO8 would not become complete trash with antes, but please refrain from generalising all Omaha variants, especially when you don't really grind them /don't fully understand the dynamics, okay?

I understand what you're feeling, but I do play PLO from time and time and I think PLO8 and PLO play out a similar way in terms of the distribution of player busts and avg stacks throughout a tournament.

I wasn't necessarily suggesting adding antes to all games, I was sharing a different perspective that would allow the games to remain in them present 9-max format rather than changing it to 6-max.

The reason Bryan made the post about potentially changing Omanias from 9-max to 6-max was because earlier posts (not you because you enjoy 9-max) had made it known that they prefer 9-max to 6-max because the game was not exciting enough.

Adding antes is another way of increasing the preflop VPIPs for the players that find the existing 9-max "boring". I was not advocating changing all games to antes, and I did not even state the ante % (it could be 1/2 of the regular 1/8 BB that NLHE has). It was simply an alternate option that was out there for consideration; I think your reaction is a bit extreme. The fact is PLO ante cash games do exist, but with deeper stacks, so it's not like I'm coming up with a completely new format from scratch.

Yes, I overreacted. Just as I did when someone asked for replay of each week's 530$ 8-Game final table. I beg your pardon, but I am emotionally involved.

PLO cash with ante has 100-250bb buy-in for a reason. Even 100bb stacks with antes on 6max tables are already quite stupid, not to mention what 9max PLO MTT with 20-40bb average stack would become. Isn't that pretty obvious?

And given the way bigger edges preflop and postflop, I don't think that PLO8 is all that close to PLO Hi, given the typical dynamics of each variant. Even if players bust at roughly the same speed in PLO and PLO8, that's just a tiny piece of the picture, which does not say anything about how antes would change the game-dynamics in each of the two variants, I think.


Hope that more people will support 8-max, which would not scare away multi-tablers/fun-player/weak-tights/nlhe-9max-players, while still getting rid of the mostly pointless UTG1 position of 9max.

And you are not a moderator, but ty telling me that this is not BBV. Sry that I posted in wrong forum (or not).

Yes, switching to 6-max will prolly attract 6-max cash players, but it will also attract more recrational players who don't enjoy playing full ring super boring PLO hi. Do you rather take bigger pricepools with couple of more regs and more chip splashing recs or play smaller fields with smaller pricepools? I don't believe that the fieds get any tougher overall.

And then there are guys like me who are ok PLO cash players, but terrible in tournament PLO and who only plays 6-max. Trust me, you want me to play as much PLO as possible.

And referring to that other post about antes in PLO. I hate the idea of having antes in PLO if it isn't superdeep which tournaments obv aren't, but even that would be more fun than 9-max PLO without antes.

+1

Very mature reasoning at the end...
It's mainly recreational players who fill up the fields of the 9max PLO Hi MTT's, and it's mainly the PLO cash-regs who want 6max PLO MTT, probably even with antes. Many other Omaha MTT grinders also prefer them to be 8/9max, because they are easier to play. First of all, because they get softer fields, and also because you can multitable them well.

What do you think would be in PS best interest here?
Offering PLO Hi MTT's which will pull PLO Hi cash-players to MTT's where they rake less, or offering them like most of the recreationals and many MTT-regs want them? Small dailies like the 11$+R have already been changed to 6max, so that it is a nice mix by now. The new daily 27$ and Sunday 82$ PSKO are also 6max, and likely soon the 55$ Saturday PLO. Changing the Omanias to 6max would be overkill, and seriously lower the reached field-sizes. But - I like to repeat myself - I think 8max for all of them would be perfect.

Mature reasoning? That is just my opinion.

I don't know what other "recs" think of this but me and many of my friends who would play these just skip 9-max tourneys everyday because they aren't any fun and that's what I want if I invest in Omaha tourneys.

+1 for more nlo8 hyper mtts, i would definitely play much more of these. Most of the nlo8 hyper sng grinders can only play the $25 nlo8 hyper mtt as the only one running during peak hours.

I think changing the $55 PLO weekly/Saturday whatever it's called now is a good idea as it offers variety and the later 55 plo/8 is also 6 max but in general the 9 handed format is better for the casual nlh player as it keeps the dynamics/format more similar to the big field nlh tournaments. Please don't change any of the 82/215s. Maybe add one high buyin 6max plo mtt if it's variety being sought after.

+1 for the early $55 saturday plo changing to 6max. a $215 6max PLO on sundays should do great also.

8max sounds like the best compromise for PLO MTT's - and no antes. Agree that 6-max is attracting more regs - so it probably gives a worse experience to recreational players.

I would certently used to play 5.10 - 10.20 6max NLO8 hypers every day ...

I am a winning hyper 6 max rec/reg who can't play MTTs because he has a job (hence playing this format). I would LOVE to be able to play hyper MTTs especially if there was one every hour or so. Unsure why it has taken so long to realise the need for this.

Agree

Hello Bryan,

how do you think about making all Omanias 8-max?
I'm sure it'd even work well without serving a center-seat for the anally retentive OCD'ers

And how about a 25$ or 51$ NLO Hi Hyper late on Sunday? It would surely attract +200 players, since Sunday is easily the day with the most MTT-players being stuck and tilted out of the whole week. A deep re-entry hyper would likely be the biggest win-wins situation.

if the 8-max center seat thing isn't fixed, making all omahas 8max would cause alot of issues for grinders. Without the center seat issue it would be a positive change for the games imo.

Can't you fill your left screen with left center-seats, and the right with right-center seats or so?
I have no clue, I don't play NLHE and only up to 6 Omaha MTT's at once

Personally never had a problem playing 8max as I don't sit in the center seat 9 handed anyway. But I know from talking to others it causes issues. I'm sure they'll get over it though if it makes the games more enjoyable/bigger/softer. :P

+1 to wanting more NL Omaha Hyper mtts

+2

and I totally disagree with making the FR Omaha 8 max. We have plenty 6 max with the prog 82's and weekly 530 and prog 27's

BIG NO to 8 max from me but I would think that making the weekly 55 6 max would be good to aline with 55 plo8 6 max

i really like the 3,30$ plo8 MTTs and they allways reach their guaranteed prize pool.could u but in some 3,30$ or 5,50$ nlo8 turbo MTTs with a guaranteed prize pool in aswell?
plz give the NLO8 4,40$ a guaranteed prize pool aswell that usally helps those MTTs.

why has the stud8 daily 27 gtd been reduced to $750??

It has always been getting well over 1k PP so just makes no sense to cut the gtd.

That change was made for New Year's Eve. It wasn't intended to be permanent. I'll get that sorted out; thanks for pointing it out to me.

thanks bryan..n1! and happy new year

I just played the 7,50$ 5Card PLO hyper deep re-entry to 82$, and after I busted, there was absolutely no way to re-enter/re-buy... and there is no other hyper I could play now...

Please fix this, if it's a reoccuring event (03:00 CET)