Its more advocating for less whining over fair rake, and feel free to let me know why im wrong.

So when a fish donks his stack off to you it only benefits you for the main prizepool? you think fish and regs make the same amount of $ of the bountys on average? The argument that the rake is 20% is basically saying you have no edge over the bounty prizepool and its a complete toss up between all players.

completely agree. Nobody is forced to play anything. Besides that most get 20-40% rakeback and it is possible to have a good roi on the knockout part as well (at least in progressive ko´s).
And complaining about hyperturbos not being beatable seems unfair as well. I mean 25bb single table 6-max cash hypers have 4% rake and are beatable before rakeback. And mtts hypers with 3000 starting stack and much more players should not be beatable? That does not make sense.

And do not forget:
they want to make profit as every other company as well, promotion, software, security, employees, license, ads, payments for affiliates, ...

When you run super deep you make a significant amount less than if there wasn't KOs. When you don't run deep you probably make more, in the long run, with the KO's. But winning players run deeper than the average player. It would be nice to see some empirical data showing this, though.

Regardless of all that, comparing how the rake was then to how it is now-- you're instantly losing 5%, obviously. Or is it 10%?

with PKOs there's more potential for profit from the KO prize pool for sure. It's still obviously not going to come close to matching the ROI available in the main pool, but there's a definite case for raking the KO pool in a PKO. Raking it to the same level as the main pool is patently absurd, and raking non-progressive KO pools is also ludicrous for obvious reasons. You're surely not arguing that any winning player on the planet is capable of sustaining a double-figure ROI in KO bounties alone though, right? So I don't see what your point is.

Stars already make a staggering 50%+ profit on turnover...

also on psko's the difference betweeen 1st and 2nd is often huge once u add in the pko's and the fact that winner will recieve the bounty he has accumalted on himself which can be as big as 1st place itself sometimes, adding to the variance.

Holy **** guys.

The 'if you don't like it do something else' argument is the ****ing worst in history.

If a black man is called a ****** and told to leave a store he should just go, right? If it's unfair just spend his money somewhere else right?

I'm not even equating real life issues to the minor issues in this thread, I'm just pointing out how ****ing dumb 'if you don't like it, ignore it and leave' is as an argument.

You just compared racism and discrimination to a poker site raising rake.
You sir are officially an idiot.

And here it is warranted. They offer a product at a certain price. If you don't like the price you don't need to buy it. They own you absolutely nothing. Bunch of people still buy their product. Hard to make everybody happy.

What I actually did is take a really bad argument "if you don't like it, go away" and show how bad it sounds in another much more serious context.

What you did is fail to understand what is being compared. In this example a very bad argument shown in two lights.

I won't say you are an idiot, you just did not have the required knowledge to understand the point.

True I misunderstood, still u whine too much.

Much rather be accused of whining than stay silent on issues that matter to us as players.

If you don't like whining about what is right, don't come in the thread. Nobody is making you.

So basically you're saying that the old PS-guys were idiots for making the rake in KOs and Hypers way too small and now the rake is what it should be?

nod

nod

wp

people whining about whiners

xD

i hate that ****

xD

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sorry, just thought each of your points was was worthy of its own paragraph, nothing much else needs to be said about it beyond this aside from assigning fair numbers (if stars gave a **** about customers that is)

cool optical illusion

I haven't had much of a problem with the rake in regular structures, but in turbos the PKO maybe even makes people play more correctly, as your fold equity is decreased. A 500+500+50 mtt sounds on the high side and that's stars choice, plenty of time in a good structure to grab that needed ROI, but what I was pointing out is that the 25+25+5 turbo superKO is pretty much unplayable and will have small winrates even if the level of play is a bit lower during a promoted series.

Me: Variable speed tourneys should replace all turbo speed tourneys

How many of you agree?

No way

when i suggested them 3 years ago, i thought they might be the next big thing

or at least a large % of them

Why no supersonic 6 max for double vision? Seems like a no brainer