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Originally Posted by Sect7G
By not offering a bigger add on it's true they will be slashing a portion of their player base and from a business standpoint that's a good thing. What you are asking for is a tourney where you get 11 units for the price of 2 and asking that recreational players buy 16 units for the price of 7. When you speak of value this is what you are talking about.
Hey I get it.. I play satellites full time and the system you propose is good for you and it's good for me... but that value that you speak of comes at the expense of the recreational player and we both know it.
You don't feel that same value entering a freeze out with 12k chips and blinds starting at 200-400 do you?
As per rebuy levels tons need to be removed from the current offerings. Late reg needs to be reduced in all rebuys. They need way more satellites that will result in less seats awarded per satellite, but a more diverse group of players winning.
The satellite program on Party is wrong business wise (from Party's perspective) in nearly all areas and this is why so many of their tourneys overlay.
I don't actually play satellites that much, but they're great for me for 2 reasons: 1) they don't last too long (usually) and 2) they have rather nice prize structure to reduce variance. I also have not demanded 10x add-ons in turbos... I basically think they're stupid, but if there's one I of course participate to it. 10x is a lot different than 3x or 5x. In hypers they have some reason because it's not really pokerish to start with 2-3BB after add-on like in PokerStars.
And I don't like late regging freezeouts, because I basically hate giving around value + I don't want to sit in a table where everyone else basically has at least some reads from other players and I have none. On other hand I also hate it when table changes very often during late registration as new players pour in. I have played lots of freezeouts in 2005-2013, but it was a time BEFORE every damned site started to use late registration. Mainly in Entraction at that time.
If we look at rebuys in general, let's see like Stars.com: they're doing exactly what you suggest with their rebuys, .l And those rebuys are dying. Most removed from schedule, rest have had their guaranteeds slashed big time. Have been dying for a long, long time and their rebuy-satellites as well... except those 2x and 3x which offer very large add-ons.
I don't see from "player field"-point much proof to your stance, quite the opposite.
Most recs don't play tournaments because it is "little more profitable" for them, they play to have fun and to have shot at and usually they don't have as much time to play poker as regulars (which is why I always have a saying "deep structure is not same as good structure to people who want to make every tournament Super Deep Stack). Most recs have like 2-3 hours to play in the evening (maybe 8-12 hours during weekend) and currently there are rather few MTTs @weekdays outside of satellites that are good for them. And it is not fun for most people to play some satellite or tournament with no or very few players, which will happen in Party if they continue slashing add-ons. There are also recs and new players who late register into rebuy-tournaments as we do and some good players who choose to try their playing skills during rebuy-time). But the main point is: like it or not, we need both: recs to keep some fresh money pouring in and regs to keep games going. And winning regs (and even more, recs with their occasional great wins) are also the greatest marketing asset for poker sites.
And even as I am winning player, I am much like recs: I play to have fun (mainly), I don't play boring games even if there's better value at it because I don't like spending my days . I occasionally play 50 hours in a week (like during Pokerfest), but most of the time I play mainly 1-3 evenings, usually playing for 2-3 hours and occasionally stopping a session because lose the spirit to play. Occasionally I like to 1-table at a freeroll and have a nice feeling to be good at what I do, even though from money perspective I know I should open more tables. I also have a habit to dislike sites that slash their promotions, even if from value-perspective their tournaments are good. It's not black and white, you know... especially in MTT games where probably around 0,1% are true "hardcore grinders".
And from business point, right now
Party's problem number Uno by far should be at least
retain their current player base and after that: to gain either new players or get old players to return. So I fully disagre with your "slashing a portion of their player base and from a business standpoint that's a good thing." because they don't even have enough liqudity at current point as summer heat drives people away. If they can't stop players running away it is "bye-bye Party and hello again, AmayaStars monopoly". And again thousands and thousands of players quit from poker.
Right now there's so many things amiss in Party that I can't tell. Most urgent: there's no promotions for players that would give them even that small temptation and incentive to play poker instead of going out and enjoy early Summer sun.