Hey hey,

Been away for few days, glad a lot of the changes have gone down well, and for the suggestions we will keep looking into them. Off peak likely after Caribbean.

Regarding rake on online event, $5200 with 0 rake back and $5300 with 40% rakeback is one important point to remember, second point is that we will always be running $5.3k seat satellites that can be used for other millions events etc, so keeping the buy in consistent is important too I believe.

I'll try and find out more information if people want.

Think you write well and have brought in some great changes but this line is a bit of a clanger. Suggests you guys are leveraging the rakeback offer to increase rake, which is not what regs signed up for when they moved from stars! I agree with the others who say this rake increase is significant - a bit similar to when rebuys started being raked.

Quick fix for Millions online rake: award double rake from Millions Online event. It'll cost you a bit more than lowering rake for $100, but it'll allow keeping same structure and it won't feel rake grab. You can't after all compare rake in live tournament with online tournament.

Also, not everyone is getting 40% rakeback. Most will be getting 25% even with Millions buy-in (especially satellite qualifiers). Those (usually recs) would be most pleasantly surprised if they would get $180 rakeback instead of $75.

Players moving over would be paying less rake. Anyway obviously this wasn't the reason for the price point, I'm just saying from overall pov we're offering basically the lowest rake vs competitors (as far as I can see)

Rake on a tournament should be just a cost of running tournament plus profit for the site. It should also be not too high, so that the games are beatable. Having a $300 rake on a $5000 tournament seems actually outrageous, you'll have the best players in the world in it and rake it 6% where the highest buyin your biggest competitor rakes 6% is $500, so 10x less. I don't think you can explain that with a rakeback, all sites offered rakeback to get people playing more, it's just ****maya who took it away. Plus, rakeback is not visible to a person who simply glances at a tournament. They will see just $100 more rake charged for no reason.

You should keep doing things better than your biggest competitor not worse and it shouldn't be difficult. And these things should be immediately obvious for the customers.

I play low-midstakes but this seems like a scumbag move , what's next oh let's make 1ks $1000+$75 , 5ks are 6% so 1ks surely can be 7.5% ?

6% rake is 6% rake , doesn't matter if people PERHAPS pay a marginally smaller amount of effective rake under certain conditions , you set a dangerous precedent that you're willing to raise rake at the expense of players .

Players pay less rake on your site because your software is literally garbage which only allows you to play a few reg speed tables stacked if you don't wanna time out 50x an hour .

No they're not at this case. Even Stars is offering 5000+200 raked tournaments, and even with 25% rb (if we consider Stars having 0% for this purpose which isn't actually true) rake is effectively higher for most players playing in a single 5000+300 tournament.

Some sites in the past have actually made their 5k events online rake-free, like Ongame in the past (Grand Slam). I have never seen 300 or more rake in any 5k event ever online before this.

Party should prob run some Spin & Go satellites to the $5,3k

Players who get seat via them makes the avg. field weaker than what $5,3k normally should be, which then attracts regulars who wouldn't normally play $5,3k to take a shot (=reduce risk of overlay)

Ah the mythical rake-free tournament.... Party actually ran one like 11 months ago as a satellite - was for 2 or 3 saturdays. Rebuys were rake-free also so plenty of tickets were distributed.

Btw this is all about profit. Look at the HUSNGS. The rake on the 1k games and above is down to like 2% and lower - it's all about what the market can sustain, and the MTT market is where the profit is atm.

Sadly the sat spin and gos are pretty dead because the rake is HIGHER than the standard games lol. They're only a deadweight on the selection menu. Don't get too many regs either because of no tournament dollars.

really against the fact that your 2 main sunday MTTs dont finish on a sunday and are simply Day 1A. Have been skipping them indeed.

Should be the opposite if you want to make them multiday tournaments. 1a/1b/1c should play Fri/Sat/early Sun and Day 2 on Sunday peak time.

disagree wholeheartedly

Sounds a lot like a phase tournament.

The Weekender on PS has long been requested by regs, with day 1s on Sat and Sun (not sure if Fri too?) And it has failed to gain much traction.

I'm a rec and I love that I can both play on Sunday and go to work the next day. And then on Tuesday for day 2 you're almost ITM directly.

Really hating these structures. Yes this is a sore loser talking, but had my first proper deep run after the new schedule yesterday in the brawl. Went on for 7 hours at superdeep stacks, then the ft is missing like every level and 20 mins into ft over half the table has 11-12 big blinds. Would really have prefered to play maybe 3 hours less and with a 1,5 hours shorter late reg and just had a balanced structure instead of it being insanely deep the whole time only to magically transform into a turbo at the ft.

Schedule in general seems pretty good now, some pet peeves:

-Fix the late reg ffs. It's terrible. It's even making people not reg tournaments because it's just really confusing when is the best time to reg (a non-KO obv) MTT. ****ing hate having to open every lobby separately every time and figure out where the blinds are at while 20tabling to make sure they aren't too low or too high to warrant a registration. 1,5 hours should be the absolute maximum.

-Plo8 please

-Some 6max would be nice

-Fix the rebuy box that pops up between hands in rebuy tournaments. Pads or someone reg any 10 cent rebuy or something and play 2 hands and you'll know what I mean. You close the box, and it pops up again and again after each hand blocking your hole cards

-Lobby filters ffs, really gotta find a way to filter out all these bs satellites to live plebs and have only those buyins visible you're interested in

-Less kos would be nice. Everything is a 3 hour late reg and everything is a knockout. This means there are actually quite few MTTs to play as since every mtt in late reg is a ko we just can't reg any of them without making a -ev decision (especially those that have been in late reg for a while).

50% regular freezeouts, 16.6% turbos 16.6% 6max 16.6% knockouts, feel free to mix the last three in whatever way you want. Thx

Could you please explain this part for the newbies?

while i don't like the long late reg, i think the biggest problem is the hour between each tournament/s. It definitely creates an unbalance like chuck says. It would be better if other times slots were used so you could late reg and not have such a big gap between start times / blind levels as you are playing a session.

+1 for 6max

think the whine is quite unwarranted tbh. yes i m biased now so we re prob looking at it from polar opposites but i think compared to where the schedule was even just one month ago this is huge improvement. also consdering that it sstill a solid while till itm at end of late reg but this late reg allows for huge prize pools its a fine tradeoff.
also since when is it in the sites interest to not allow players that wanna gable in -ev fashion on a poker timbey to do so by late regging super late being unable to collect bounties?

i do agree structures deep could be adjusted to same as they are early but hey its still better than what we have

With part of the prizepool gone regging becomes very -EV. Of course there are other factors such as skill edge etc but just a dumbed down example:

Prog ko with 50% bounties. Half the field has already busted (you regularly see these with 40% of the field left still in late reg on Party thanks to the absurdly long late reg period). Half of the bounties go back to circulation thanks to the progressive format, so you're only -25% ROI (+rake) to start the tournament. Good luck with that. Also getting like 15BB with very limited fe in this format is an alternative negative factor etc etc. Basically these are just trap tournaments after the first 2-3 levels and shouldn't have a long late reg at all.

Longer late reg makes a little bit more sense in normal MTTs but it's still way too long. It's absurd to lose a 400k flip then get asked if you wanna re-enter on a regular basis.

Didn't mean to sound overly negative, I'd say if before the most recent changes my satisfaction level was 1/10 it's now a solid 7.5/10. Definitely a lot of good stuff has happened. But there are a few very easy to implement changes that I'm hopeful we'll see happen soon.

huge +1 to all the fix the late reg, 4 hours is just way too much and the reason why i finish regging at the big brawl every night.

edit: and agree with majority of chucks post.

cant login to my PP acc atm . My polish friends have same issue . Anyone of you have it or is it just regional problem ?

My friend make day2 in titlle flight with nice stack and cant login as well . Allready know thats all works fine for people who previos login . BUt is imposible to login atm .

Must be a regional thing as, I just tried to log-in for the first time today and could do so as normal.

Can't login to Party Poker at the moment. Locked out of Day 2 with a nice stack. Playing from south america.

Works fine for me (Finland)

I have played some nice low stakes sessions at Party and I have enjoyed them very much. For the first time in a few years I am excited to log in at poker site! Since Party tournaments are now my preference I can afford skip a lot of stuff from Stars. I like your kick-off and warm-up concepts.

I like that low stakes games have 8 minute lvl with 3 hour LR. This way I can start my session with 6-8 tables and continue registering tournaments until 22 cet.

For the late stages I would like to suggest to make 10 min lvl after level 35 or 40 (not earlier) in 8 min lvl tournaments. It will give extra play in late stages and will not prolong tournaments by much.

All in all, I really hope you will keep this very nice and ambitious schedule. I also hope you will able to keep gtd at current levels.