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03-02-2017 , 09:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FarseerFinland

E: Has anyone yet got T$ from Powerfest LB extra package(s) (or Million LB either)? I still haven't and it has been over a month now... really annoying (don't want to deposit more in dire downswing with 7,5kT$ effectively waiting in my account).
I don't think I have either. Do you have a T&A of the Powerfest Leaderboard promo? Colette did not want to send it to me. I had already qualified for Millions Day 1, but they refused to give me T$ for it and am forced to play two Day 1s - obv I was not aware because I don't expect to have to read the fine print in order to not get screwed by companies I trust.

If there was a cash portion to that I didn't get that either.

It was my first leaderboard win and it didn't feel like a win at all after getting the cool news. Not that recs can even win these with the new changes but you guys definitely need to be more transparent and straightforward about these packages.
03-03-2017 , 09:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexos
I don't think I have either. Do you have a T&A of the Powerfest Leaderboard promo? Colette did not want to send it to me. I had already qualified for Millions Day 1, but they refused to give me T$ for it and am forced to play two Day 1s - obv I was not aware because I don't expect to have to read the fine print in order to not get screwed by companies I trust.

If there was a cash portion to that I didn't get that either.

It was my first leaderboard win and it didn't feel like a win at all after getting the cool news. Not that recs can even win these with the new changes but you guys definitely need to be more transparent and straightforward about these packages.
Yeah I have to play 2 Day1s too, but I have third package (2 from Powerfest, 1 from newer leaderboard) so that one should be converted to T$. Very annoying that I have to play two Day1s (it's also possible with current rules that you have to play even three or actually even all four because even if you reach from phase 1 -> day 1 or even to day 2 if one played day 1 in the Caribbean you still have to play day 1s by the rules) and risk losing value by forfeiting additional possible stacks.

Unfortunately rules about those "first packages" in each promotion were quite clear... but I haven't received travel money yet either, I guess they award it closer to the trip. Getting some information about that would be helpful too as probably not all players have extra $$$ free to purchase flight tickets and hotel.
03-03-2017 , 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexos
Disappointed with the new Powerfest structure - sad you reduced the level length to 15/20m, sad that all events so far have same structure, sad that 20m levels don't kick in earlier (worst case)

Excited for the series though, you have plenty of time to adjust some things
unless they were going to make 2day mtts, this was the next best solution.

looking forward to the series.
03-03-2017 , 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by insomniac86
unless they were going to make 2day mtts, this was the next best solution.

looking forward to the series.
yea I get that the 20min lvl isn't exactly euro-schedule friendly, but it was just nice to have those great structures. Unfortunate they can't figure out the 2-day skill
03-03-2017 , 09:11 PM
I think 20 min lvls were mainly overkill after all. At least last tournaments should use 12 min / 15 min (maybe 20 min at FT levels) structures. Little variance wouldn't Be Bad either, one ultradeepstack with 30 min lvls wouldn't fwwl so bad either If not everything would be so ridiculously slow.
03-04-2017 , 05:31 AM
Tournaments at 20cet running until 9-10cet on weekdays were too much. 15/20 is a bit more friendly to recs and potentially attract more players. However, 7 day 109 tickets do not give a much of chance to qualify for powerfest events.
03-05-2017 , 03:42 PM
wtf, also structure of SHR cut? If anything it shouldve been increased. So little runners, it def doesnt takes too long or anything.
03-05-2017 , 03:43 PM
even peak time on sunday the low stakes mtts are overlaying, what is it gonna take for them to do something else with this schedule? basically all other big sites are crushing party when it comes to a reasonable schedule, structures etc.
03-05-2017 , 06:21 PM
Tournament lobby does not show correctly blind levels in $5 and $22 games.
03-05-2017 , 06:46 PM
What have you done with $5 and $22 structures? 6 minute lvl? Almost 1000bb at start? $22 10k have 20bb avg. stack with 8 players left, $5 4k have 17bb avg. stack with 9 players left.

Last edited by Bocmanis; 03-05-2017 at 06:56 PM.
03-05-2017 , 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bocmanis
What have you done with $5 and $22 structures? 6 minute lvl? Almost 1000bb at start? $22 10k have 20bb avg. stack with 8 players left, $5 4k have 17bb avg. stack with 9 players left.
its actually a glitch in lobby I believe, I noticed the same but levels were actually 12 mins

doesn't mean structures still need fixing ^^
03-05-2017 , 09:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fanta Pomelo
wtf, also structure of SHR cut? If anything it shouldve been increased. So little runners, it def doesnt takes too long or anything.
i was also interested in it, but got same runners and average on ft is 912k at 24k bb, seems good i guess.
03-06-2017 , 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
i was also interested in it, but got same runners and average on ft is 912k at 24k bb, seems good i guess.
Sure the avg is gonna be decent when @ final 4. But why cut the structure? Took 80minutes off the tourney. Finally a tournament to play some poker and it's gets turned into a flipfest(for the most part) and that for that buy-in.

It finishes by far the earliest from all majors, which everybody that is playing, is in anyway. All others after 5AM and even 7AM. This one not even 3AM now.

Yesterday around bubble 8k level, nobody had more than 50bb. With so many shovingstacks in between, its tough to play some fun hands. Don't get why you tought this had to be changed. Ruined it big time for me at least. Even think 912k @ 24k is shallow for this. I would go 20m and 25m(instead of 15/20) levels or 75k startingstack. Give it those 2 extra hours. Can't really see any arguments why that tourney had to be sped up.

f.e you were at final table of the Whale(600$, their biggest BI) yday and even 9handed the avg must've been like a 100bb right? Just calculated it, it was 76bb. Still very very good.
03-06-2017 , 12:08 PM
Please keep management updated with sctuructures collette. I know its been said a million times but it really keeps needing relaying to the team.

Its a real shame i see a site like party like this ..

Listen to the players . Alot of the regs know what they are talking about. Your lowstakes are dying out. Overlaying alot ect. Prizepools are getting hurt and alot of lowstake guys are playing 888 ect.

Id say that with the betslider issue which i really loved the change it seems like party has some real problems at the backbone of the site.

I love u have vallina mtts but for most they choose the array of stuctures on 888 over party. U change this u change a haul of lowstake players which in turn gives u the players for sattalittes ect (obv not gonna mention the distrastorous 7 day expiry )

Hope yous can get this right this year with games .
03-06-2017 , 12:20 PM
15 into 20mins for powerfest big fields 109s/215s would be great, it's much needed that these mtts are a bit shorter if they're not going to be 2-day events. Of course playing from 8pm to 1am then finishing next day would be much better and you can keep 20min levels that way and potentially even add a level like 3500/700.
03-06-2017 , 05:42 PM
There is currently no hand for hand with 10 left and 9 paid in the early 530 highroller.
03-06-2017 , 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
i was also interested in it, but got same runners and average on ft is 912k at 24k bb, seems good i guess.
I am not SHR player. However, I don't think people have time to check structures for every tournament when they multi table. Small stakes player pool decreased a few weeks after the introduction of 8/10. Nevertheless, I don't think Party can afford to mess with HS players...
03-06-2017 , 06:55 PM
Hi all,

I've decided to agree to extend my relationship with PartyPoker until the end of 2017.

My main wish was that I could be more involved in the development of the company in terms of structures, tournaments, software, promotions and being the link between the players and the company. Part of the agreement was that I would create a think-tank currently consisting of 8 people, 7 of which are professional poker players, that play a range of stakes and game types that will work on coming up with ideas about how to optimise every part of the product that the company offers. After discussion from the group on a topic brought up there or suggest in the thread, I will present it in a condensed format to management and they have promised to be extremely receptive towards it.

As we have seen with not only this thread, but the other similar threads on the forum, it is quite hard for the staff member to know who is looking out for themselves vs who is posting something that is really going to help the company achieve its goals. Sometimes you have two different guys saying that something must be done in the total opposite way (see rebuys). I know from personal experience PP have been EXTREMELY receptive of almost every single piece of feedback that I've previously given and I know that moving forward this will be a really good system that helps improve things quicker than perhaps previously.

Since I came to PP the site has improved a lot, the bet slider has helped the software and playability immensely, the phone app is seriously the best on the market (imo) and the tournament schedules, especially for higher stakes is streets better than this time last year. Despite the amazing growth, I know there is a lot of areas for improvement, the lobby is currently far from optimal, the schedule could do with a little bit of tweaking, the promotions could be done in a way that encourages a different style of play and a few tournaments would greatly benefit from adding a few levels here or there.

I think this thread is full of really great poker minds that have really good ideas, I will post here different things to get feedback and whilst obviously every suggestion cannot be implemented, i promise every suggestion will be heard and seriously considered.

I'm really looking forward to working with both the think tank and the management team at Party and hopefully in the not so distant future PP becomes once again, the biggest and best online poker room in the world.


Cheers

Patrick
03-06-2017 , 07:36 PM
Some suggestions for upcoming PartyPoker powerseries in May

* More variety of tournaments. Last series just felt like you just had increased guarantee of already existing tournament.. Example 530d 100k gtd everyday just becomes a boring and not a unique event to see in the lobby during a big series.
Suggestion:
- Alternate it with 6 max and please remove all other 530's during the day so the major event feels more special. You can also make this major a $1k once or twice a week and make sure to run daily sats for it.
- The earlier 530 can be switched to some kind of warmup event with half of the buyin. Would be a huge success I think. Having two identical 530's everyday is not the way to go.
- The 109's seem to do very well during the series, so no need to change these.


As for the structures. I think it's very important to not miss any levels deep in the tourneys where it all matters - Nobody minds to stay up for 1-2 hour longer when they are playing for huge amounts. Party tend to play very deep in the beginning of the tourneys and then becomes more turbo in the end. Maybe make latereg period a bit shorter and add a few levels deep will help. I think average stack on a powerfest event shouldn't be less than 35bb at final 2 tables.

Last edited by DBerglin; 03-06-2017 at 07:55 PM.
03-06-2017 , 08:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DBerglin
Some suggestions for upcoming PartyPoker powerseries in May



* More variety of tournaments. Last series just felt like you just had increased guarantee of already existing tournament.. Example 530d 100k gtd everyday just becomes a boring and not a unique event to see in the lobby during a big series.

I think in general the "pure poker" works pretty well in combination of more gimmicky stuff on other sites, it means you kinda always have a good schedule to play basically every day, especially as we have a lot of events

Suggestion:
- Alternate it with 6 max and please remove all other 530's during the day so the major event feels more special. You can also make this major a $1k once or twice a week and make sure to run daily sats for it.

All high rollers have changed from 9 handed and will be 8 handed during Pokerfest, I think 8 handed is way more purer form of poker and only reason online sites do 9 handed is because of the transition from live->online, but the only reason live places have 9 handed rather than 8 is because of space. I think 8 handed for pokerfest will feel like an even better player experience.

- The earlier 530 can be switched to some kind of warmup event with half of the buyin. Would be a huge success I think. Having two identical 530's everyday is not the way to go.

I'm not sure about this to be honest. The 530s have always performed really well and think they will continue to perform really well, especially during SCOOP. What do others think about that?

- The 109's seem to do very well during the series, so no need to change these.


As for the structures. I think it's very important to not miss any levels deep in the tourneys where it all matters - Nobody minds to stay up for 1-2 hour longer when they are playing for huge amounts. Party tend to play very deep in the beginning of the tourneys and then becomes more turbo in the end. Maybe make latereg period a bit shorter and add a few levels deep will help. I think average stack on a powerfest event shouldn't be less than 35bb at final 2 tables.

I'm not sure 35bbs is the arbitrary number, but I agree, once playing deep in the tournament, its important not to just be all in every hand.
03-06-2017 , 08:21 PM
Thx for quick response pads. Some sites don't show up more than 1 time a week to response to feedback (hmm who am i thinking about?)

Great news to hear that all highrollers will be 8max instead of 9. Still hope to see some 6max highrollers!

To be more specific regarding the 530's; i know they are doing well but maybe make the later one a $1k on tues/thurs/sundays for example and on these days, we can have the earlier $530 100k in the schedule too and both will perform well.

On the other days, we can have this earlier one being $250 and the bigger one to be $530.

or if you decide to keep both as 530, one of them can be a 6max and other can be 8max? just to make them both feel more unique and that people dont have to get the feeling to choose to play 1 of them.

Also agree 100% that most of partys tourneys should continue to be pure poker and not gimmick PKO events and such. By variety I meant mostly the buyins/6max

Last edited by DBerglin; 03-06-2017 at 08:31 PM.
03-07-2017 , 04:20 AM
What about $11 10k at 19 or 21 cet during powerfest? Powerfest with $5 games only looks boring during peak hours.
03-07-2017 , 04:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
Hi all,

I've decided to agree to extend my relationship with PartyPoker until the end of 2017.

My main wish was that I could be more involved in the development of the company in terms of structures, tournaments, software, promotions and being the link between the players and the company. Part of the agreement was that I would create a think-tank currently consisting of 8 people, 7 of which are professional poker players, that play a range of stakes and game types that will work on coming up with ideas about how to optimise every part of the product that the company offers. After discussion from the group on a topic brought up there or suggest in the thread, I will present it in a condensed format to management and they have promised to be extremely receptive towards it.

As we have seen with not only this thread, but the other similar threads on the forum, it is quite hard for the staff member to know who is looking out for themselves vs who is posting something that is really going to help the company achieve its goals. Sometimes you have two different guys saying that something must be done in the total opposite way (see rebuys). I know from personal experience PP have been EXTREMELY receptive of almost every single piece of feedback that I've previously given and I know that moving forward this will be a really good system that helps improve things quicker than perhaps previously.

Since I came to PP the site has improved a lot, the bet slider has helped the software and playability immensely, the phone app is seriously the best on the market (imo) and the tournament schedules, especially for higher stakes is streets better than this time last year. Despite the amazing growth, I know there is a lot of areas for improvement, the lobby is currently far from optimal, the schedule could do with a little bit of tweaking, the promotions could be done in a way that encourages a different style of play and a few tournaments would greatly benefit from adding a few levels here or there.

I think this thread is full of really great poker minds that have really good ideas, I will post here different things to get feedback and whilst obviously every suggestion cannot be implemented, i promise every suggestion will be heard and seriously considered.

I'm really looking forward to working with both the think tank and the management team at Party and hopefully in the not so distant future PP becomes once again, the biggest and best online poker room in the world.


Cheers

Patrick


Hi all

I have always worked hard on this thread with the aim to keep management up to date and informed of player feedback etc
I may not comment on each and every post however all info is consolidated weekly and shared with the team for review and consideration

Please review Patrick's (OurSurveySays) statement above - I strongly feel this will help take your views and thoughts to the management in a constructive and positive manner - and action will be taking when deemed necessary
A player rep using one of the players is a great format to work on improvements for you guys - and I do believe will be successful going forward
You have a strong support channel using Pads and this shows the management willingness to listen and make improvements

Going forward Patrick will work on the MTT specific feedback/issues and I will pick up the usual issues/keep you up to date with changes, downtime etc....

Kind regards,

Colette
03-07-2017 , 08:57 AM
Will reiterate my feedback for the 10th time.

SECURITY TOKEN or 2FA protection on our accounts please.

While the software has improved its still clunky as hell and randomly spazzes out. There is no memory of table positions or where the lobby should open after each shutdown. Only reason people are still loyal to stars is their software is light years ahead of yours. Instead of giving 6 figure sums to high stakes regs who will play anyway invest more heavily in getting your client up to industry standard levels. Can't believe how long it takes to improve the playing experience.
03-07-2017 , 12:03 PM
Hello,

Nice post Patrick and good luck with the think tank.

Today I played this hand
Spoiler:
**** Hand History for Game 15935291007 ****
NL Texas Hold'em $109 USD Buy-in Trny:135203083 Level:12 Blinds-Antes(1,200/2,400 -250) - Tuesday, March 07, 12:36:38 CET 2017
Table Heavyweight. Kangaroo - $5K Gtd (135203083) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 7/9
Seat 8: Liftededge ( 30,000 )
Seat 5: W1nd1V1dor ( 129,385 )
Seat 3: Zepper8 ( 104,872 )
Seat 4: eardleym ( 29,750 )
Seat 6: kozirok ( 108,459 )
Seat 1: puskas27 ( 75,170 )
Seat 7: suk12cz ( 27,225 )
Trny:135203083 Level:12
Blinds-Antes(1,200/2,400 -250)
puskas27 posts ante [250]
Zepper8 posts ante [250]
eardleym posts ante [250]
W1nd1V1dor posts ante [250]
kozirok posts ante [250]
suk12cz posts ante [250]
Liftededge posts ante [250]
There is no Small Blind in this hand as the Big Blind of the previous hand left the table.
Liftededge posts big blind [2,400].
* Dealing down cards *
Dealt to Zepper8 [ Ts Js ]
puskas27 folds
Zepper8 raises [5,040]
eardleym is all-In [29,500]
W1nd1V1dor folds
kozirok will be using their time bank for this hand.
kozirok calls [29,500]
suk12cz folds
Liftededge is all-In [27,350]
Zepper8 will be using their time bank for this hand.
Zepper8 calls [24,710]
kozirok will be using their time bank for this hand.
kozirok is all-In [78,709]
Zepper8 folds
* Dealing Flop * [ Ah, 5s, 2c ]
* Dealing Turn * [ 4s ]
* Dealing River * [ 3s ]
Liftededge shows [ Kc, Ks ]a straight, Ace to Five.
eardleym shows [ Ac, Qc ]a straight, Ace to Five.
kozirok shows [ Qd, Qs ]a straight, Ace to Five.
kozirok wins 78,459 chips from the side pot 2 with a straight, Ace to Five.
Liftededge wins 375 chips from the side pot 1 with a straight, Ace to Five.
kozirok wins 375 chips from the side pot 1 with a straight, Ace to Five.
eardleym wins 39,917 chips from the main pot with a straight, Ace to Five.
Liftededge wins 39,917 chips from the main pot with a straight, Ace to Five.
kozirok wins 39,916 chips from the main pot with a straight, Ace to Five.


I was suprised that kozirok was able to reopen the bet/raising action since the ai from liftededge seemed to be to small to be a 'real' raise. So either my poker rules knowledge is slacking (nvm it that case) or it might be a bug.

I haven't read the thread so I am not sure whether this feedback is already considerated, but I would like a feature were we can export or retrieve the hand history in txt format. It should happen automatically but party has this bug on my pc that sometimes when I hop tables PT4 stops importing hands and then there is a gap in my tournaments HHs. Also personally I think it makes more sense to have the HH in My Account instead of Missions. Also I would like to see a search function for tournament ids or if possible player names or adding a tab at the friend page to see at what tables / in which tournament he's currently playing.

And +1 for increasing account security as suggested by U shove i call.

      
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