ok so 3 russian HS mtt players that are known to be in a skype/content group jam allin first hand to exploit the system.

right. "obviously". imfao.
Not sure if the chance of colluding is 99,999% or 99,99999999999999999% either way the impression you give off is even more stupid than your enrage chat buddy hello totti.

Oh sry lets stay objective : I' m sure your innocent. "obviously" (mm)


On a sidenote this exploit was well known and being used in 109 sats to 530 tickets by several regs for ages. I thought I heard party started to finally act on it after month of paying out overlays and abolish it a while ago.

How this should be handed? from my pov give them a warning and return their buyins and tell them nice try. anything else would be over the top I think (ban/confiscating BR)

1 player said that he regged this tourney hours before it started. When did the other 2 players reg it? Last minute? Or well before?

Out of the 3 players is this level of buy in "believable"? ($10 mtt reg wouldn't play this buy in)

Depending on these factors might indicate planned shoving or not.

edit: if what Kranke wrote is true than they are 95% + guilty.

ban seems perfectly fine

if you are trying to exploit a poker site for 90k+, why should said poker site ever take business from you again? would seem like a questionable call to make imo.

giving them a warning and letting them off because they 'didn't mean it' or 'thought they did nothing wrong' seems ridiculous.

100% Nothing malicious gone on here, Whoevers idea to make a 2.6k tournament with a 3 player min cap on it should be fired, the company made a mistake and they should learn from it, not issue bans.

so what would happen if i regged this mtt and got aces? and two guys go all in do i have to fold to prevent gettign banned and money locked? confused

can someone please post hh , i really dont know what should go on here , its a pretty joke and has put me off playing party for sure its a shame !

Check Sunday grand minimum player on stars or other high stakes MTTs. It's very standard for high stakes MTTs, everybody in the hsmtt community knows about it and that it's not allowed otherwise s lot of tournaments would finish within second of them started.

Again as above it shouldn't put you "off playing on party" it should put you off playing on any poker site at all if that's the case. They all have exactly the same rule. Try going to the $320 6max on a quiet Friday with 3 friends from school and all get everybody to go all in pre flop, see what happens after the tournament. It's industry standard (and rightfully so imo)

so one shoved other called and other called? i kind of dont blame them cause they know its hugely ev to end the mtt right there.. it pretty sick though if two do it and you have like a9o or something like veaaa claims lol, even with atc its hugley ev though so there needs to be some sort of set rules not allowing the mtt to finish, idk something needs implementing though

pads i totally agree with you there that if i regged into a $320 with 3 friends that i knew (whioch i wouldnt anyways but i know what its like in the poker world) im extra vigilant like that , wouldnt even grind with a friend on the same ip tbh..

anyways i do agree with that , i dont know the proper details, i just read this thread and read 3 players chopped the mtt, but have not seen any hand details other than veeaaa saying he had a9o and felt calling to be massively ev..

what would you do in his spot pads? if u regged early which u probably dont but if u did and two guys go all in and you have top 3% hand?

i just want some clarifacation on what a resepected reg would do, if i got into this situation i would call, but then there is obviously a cut off point right?

maybe just make min alot bigger idk people not pre regging is a problem on party cause no one hardly does it..

i kind of might of exagarated when i said i dont really want to play on party, but i think a resolution needs to be adressed before i think about playing a mtt on there again with the min player start and also the three regs situation..

just really strange spot that i found quite strange and wanted some peoples views on it cause obviously we have several posts arguing lots of valid points

Bans are over agressive and no way it'll end up if they decide to fight it. Those two points of which they're supposedly in violation can be debunked by basic logic. Confiscating prizepool with no initial buy-in refund i.e. a loss of $2.6k should be a costly enough lesson.

I stand corrected, but i do think a permanent ban is definitely way out of line, this can be resolved in a less aggressive fashion imo.

100% partys fault and to ban these guys is absurd


to expect players not to act in their own self interest is not fair, and collusion can not be proven

So what do the sites do? Cancel every single high stakes tournament in the future? It doesn't take long for everybody in the 530 high roller to just go all in every hand at the start and chop up the 100 runner guarantee (usually starts with 10 or so) what about the 320 6max on stars? It started with 1/10th of the players needed for the guarantee yesterday.

Also I was just thinking. What about the two players who got knocked out? We're they given a chance to reetner the tournament? It was still in reentry phase so assume if so everybody would reenter.

Again like I've said previously itt, this has been tried by tonnes of people previously (all unsuccessful) on stars and Ofc the sites will have some rules that protects them.

Also makes it very difficult to persuade party or other sites to add new games or really try and do things to help regs and add great hsmtts if the players are going to look for any way to exploit them where they aren't "protected".

There are already a few suggestions on how to fix this problem ITT

I totaly agree on this

I mean is undertandable why party or any other site doesnt want to pay out if this happen but even if there is agreement in chat to just shove and then chop privatly overlay i think is the organizator of the game alowing this , i mean what if like 20 people register and late reg is over and people decide to chop it? They get banned too??? i think is apsurd, but anyway house can do whatever they want... Mtt shouldnt end before late reg is over i mean even if there is no one reg mtt shoudnt be canceled, reward game starters with extra chips as someone prevosly posted if all but one player busted and late reg is not over he should sit at the tables a d wait until late reg is over and no more situations like this

Every one was that casinos need to pay ivey his money of edgesorting, but this is not right??? Common

I think the fair way is to give this players buyins vac, thanks them for starting games and thanks them that they spot bug in sistem so party can fix them and give them some kinda of reward like 500$ ticket or smth and apology that they gona confiscate the money.

If in vea shoes i go with acehigh advice and ask lawyer what we can do about it and ask full payback from party of money u won

I have lot of respect for you guys for doing this btw lol, so funny and naive to belive that you get paid but as i said i will take it all the way if u decide to do it at first place, **** the sistem , crazy rusians

And btw every one atackig tnis guys, except pads obv ( cos he is party rep and has full right to do this), SHAME ON YOU, why are you going after fellow regs and atacki g thrm, i mean even if you dont like them wat you will get if u go after this guys, or is it because they did what you never thought a about and you do t wat yhem to get away with that?
#heroes #villains

Shoving atc and calling atc is the mathematically correct play in that spot. No need for collusion—those rules clearly do not apply.

Also it would be pretty easy to add tournament guarantee restrictions like 'pricepool is only guaranteed if tournament reaches post latereg stages - otherwise pokerroomXYZ reserves the right to only pay out the total of player-wagered amounts and deduct additional money won from accounts post tournament' --> technically implement an auto 'Important notice' to the internal review team whenever a tournament finishes while late reg is still open - problem solved imo. Especially since party cashouts get reviewed every single time anyway and are not auto-forwarded...to my knowledge at least Whoever wants to then flip... Well, it costs you the rake boys...

1 - Can we get an automatic buyin feature so that when we click register we don't have to click on another pop up to confirm?

2 - Is there a way to make the font bigger because its so tiny, especially on my 2048x1125 resolution monitor?

Were they offered the option to re-enter? If they were and didn't that seems like a pretty clear sign of collusion.

Don't see how any of the rules you posted applied in this case pads. Look, I m not endorsing what they did I m just really trying to understand what both parties should be doing in spots like this. "It is known" only applies in game of thrones, thus has to be in writing somewhere otherwise it's completely ludicrous to confiscate any amount from veea, let alone ban him or the others. And I say this while wholeheartedly hating veeea

i agree

find a way to not happen again, so easy to solve. its only the site fault this happened

Come on don't do the "I'm innocent" thing veeea, that's basically saying your guilty of collusion.

I don't think it's fair unless they have proof. It was a strategically sound move and if there is no rule to protect against this then they cannot be banned. Just add a simple rule that a tournament can't end before registration is over or upgrade the software to ensure that.

Talking about +ev, I guess re-entry would be obvious? (assume this was possible and the tourney didn't end/close right after the hand)


But I was wondering what I would need to do if I was in such situation and I was holding aces as the bb? Do I need to fold to avoid breaking rules? And if aces are okay to call, where would the line be between acceptable and breaking tos?

Hi all

I am not in a position to comment on other players accounts and recent action

The players have been contacted via the customer service channels and the relevant team - any further response should come from these channels to the players directly

Kind regards

Colette

Party really messed up if they don't have a clear rule in their t+c to deal with this. Trying to prove collusion will be hard.