Incorrect, Although i think people who are playing ~ 10/8/2 will have their ROI's Reduced slightly.

I posted my thoughts in my PGC:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=285

People disagreeing can you give some detail on your reasoning for why you don't like the change rather than just saying everyone else is thick / deluded etc.

well there is very little that differentiates the very good and top regs from the rest of the regs. a lot of it is the ability to find thin value and play more hands and exploit more early on. the quicker it goes to reduced stack manouverability and shove/fold the less the skill element is involved and therefore reduced rois. the 3rs may be the only ones could possibly benefit as they hold stack depth and the prizepools may be increased.

deluded part of my statemement was not aimed at you and maybe seems harsh but there is zero chance stars are making changes that will be beneficial to how much regs make

nobody unlocked is making that much at all without heatering. i would be surpirsed if anyone made $50k this year without some massive run good or ridic volume

And that's exactly what early antes lets you do more of.

How can you not realize this simple fact?

Just because you are forced to put an ante in, doesn't mean your ante is going to be evenly distributed to everyone and ROIs are going to drop across the board. A bigger fraction of your ante is going to go to the ones who have better post flop skills.

Also the idea that "it gets to a shove fest quicker" is pretty much a fallacy. On average the push fold game will still begin at bb150, as it always has.

The only thing that has changed is that the first 4 levels are more important and they give better players more opportunities to exploit.

I am liking the change after a session of playing them

gg 11ko reg speed

coming up

love these changes.. main reason being - 180s are no longer boring, adding antes from the start changed these games completely

wish i would say good luck to you guys... but i wont

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btw im having fun reading breakeven regs posts teaching everyone else here about loosening up ranges ;d keep it up

How do you guys autorebuy to 3000 chips in 3r so quickly? do most of you just use autorebuy 2x at the start? But how do you turn it off when you rebuy after you bust so u can rebuy only 1500 as oppose to 3000? Do you have to manually do this?

Early antes are fun for the whole fam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MUGAxpI0Bc

I haven't played 180s in like 3 years. What kind of prop bet odds could I get going that I could make at least 70k in 180s by the end of the year?

no idea. you could try and gauge interest but as people think its easily achievable you probably would not get good action, although in reality nobody is really making this. dont get me wrong i would love it to be possible and it probably is but it would take 40+ hours a week grinding and playing the peak hours every day to get the games in.

edit: for $70k in 9 months i would hope you would get action as i dont think its possible as it would take a lot more than 40 hours a week. was thinking about $70k over the course of a year before.

Hey SandmanNess,

Enjoyed your threads over the years.

To my knowledge nobody has done it in last couple years, even when they
have the whole year grinding.

Seeing as your starting in March, and your not known as a 180 grinder, I would think you could get some serious action.

My guess would be 10:1 +

He only needs to make like 7.7k per month no way 10:1, Id say something like 2.5:1 to 3:1 would be fair.

Idk if it works to say "he only needs to make 8k a month in 180s" when apparently no one has done that in several years. I don't know if I ever remember hearing of anyone ever making more than 75k in a year playing ONLY 180s even back in 2010-2011. And that's with guys that are playing every day full time and studying, much less some short handed hyper grinder rb pro who's played less than 5k 180s lifetime.

lets say for argument $2 per game is reasonable win-rate for a good player ($3rs to $60s). 150 games per day = 4500 per month = $9000 x 9 months = $81000, you would need about $1.70/game win-rate and play 4500 games per month to win the bet, a $2 win rate is about 13% ROI. This looks easy on paper and is way tougher in practise to put in those sort of hours while maintaining that win-rate etc but it's entirely possible. So I don't really see 10:1 odds at all and even if that was a fair number I don't think you'd get much action betting $100 to win $10 isn't fun. And I don't think you being a hyper 6max player makes you much of an underdog to 180 regs at all, if anything you probably have a big edge in 3 handed and HU at FTs and the ICM spots. 180s still have lots of fish playing them I doubt fish are playing 6max hypers these days especially with spin and gos now.

I can agree with most of this, and I certainly don't think it would be 10-1, just not 2.5 -1. Prob would say more like 4 or 4.5-1. It just seems strange to me that if it's not a big deal to make even 1.5 a game and play 4500 games a month (seems like a lot for 180s) why isn't there even one person doing it? Is it the volume? What's cramping the money flow for the top 180 regs?

its primarily volume. peak would have to be played every day and even on peak you are not getting many $35s in the full course of the session and not that many $15s an hour. i dont even know how many $60s you would get a day, doubt it would even be one an hour with the exception of sundays. then you have variance issues as your sample over the year would be pretty small in the highest games available. i would assume a 300 game downswing is possible in $60s so you could be down $18k over your sample regardless of skill set.

in terms of skill set for someone like yourself it would take no time to be a top reg so the playing history is a non issue. this challenge differs a lot from others as its over the course of a year and you would basically need to play 7 days a week to cover all the best playing hours which is a massive commitment for 9 months. its not like other challenges where you lock yourself away for x amount of time and grind like **** and if your projections are right then you just need to keep up your standard of play and you crush. this is a years commitment with few days off to even make it possible with the added issue of variance for the higher buy ins and maintaining a standard of play for 9 months straight without killing yourself.

sort something out though. i would like to see this tested

I think its mostly a volume thing. 4500 games per month would be like playing every single day I think most guys play more like 3000 games. Also alot of the regs who would beat these for higher winrates $2+ play other games like mtts. Most of the higher volume guys are mass tabling and have much lower winrates.

+1

sry if i misssed it but rip 60s? none on sun or today

appear to be back

yup.. stars stalking my posts

Do you think 180s should go PKO's would they be more appealing to players? Seems thats the favorite format atm in MTTs.