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03-04-2011 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by spoonfox
so he ghosts liveaments too?




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03-04-2011 , 06:37 PM

Last edited by abracadabrab; 03-04-2011 at 06:42 PM. Reason: Figured this was would be more flattering depiction of kleath than irl pic
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03-04-2011 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 1morerussian
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Originally Posted by timex
Just quoting this picture to make sure Awice/JSchnett see it if they look at this thread
The glorious days of huge Mansion overlays.
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03-04-2011 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxkatz
~1,5 years ago I had a lot of coaching projects (didn't coached myself, had partners that done it).
At some point one of the players asked us to make lessons for him about the final stage of the tournament, during one, with our regular hourly rate. We made, it went well (final stages usually are the most difficult part and it is very difficult to explain something not during the game).

In one of my advertisements I published, that we now making final stage coaching too. It worked a week or two, then one of my haters (may be this one) started to scream that we cheating, and this called "ghosting".

Discussions opened, I disagreed in the start with the idea that if someone help to somebody else during a tournament it is the same as cheating with cards in offline. As far as I know good players always help their friends in final stages, at least all my Russian friends done so, and a lot of cash and SNG coaches making their lessons during sessions.
But then I received an e-mail from Stars explaining this issue, understood what are the problems in it, and closed the project after ~2 weeks and ~10 sessions, started to give lessons only after the tournament as Stars advised.

I didn't thought that coaching like this is unacceptable at that point, and explanations by my Russian coulegues I never considered as serious, because they always screams that all my projects are bad, including the share buying or selling .
It definitely was a mistake to open this project and of corse big mistake to try to protect it publicly, I been just wrong.
Since then it used always by my haters with a lot of lies as usual (like as I done huge project with hundreds of tournaments, built a system and still doing it).
Assuming this is true i don't have any problem with any of it, sounds like something a lot of people did in the early days of the US online poker boom before anyone knew it was wrong.
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03-04-2011 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by shaniac
Jeez, um, I think Zima gets "it."

I haven't read the accusations thoroughly, but I'm pretty sure there are shades of gray involved, so everyone needs to chill imo.
My comment was mainly a reply to his similarly toned post to me. I don't know who he is or what he's doing or not doing for poker. He trolled me and I trolled back. That's all.
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03-04-2011 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by abracadabrab
haha the drawing rapes i wish you were clever enough to write some funny caption yourself though

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03-04-2011 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kleath
i wish you were clever enough to write some funny caption yourself though
this, minus the comment about intelligence.

too much wasted potential imo
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03-04-2011 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kleath
haha the drawing rapes i wish you were clever enough to write some funny caption yourself though
So you agree that that is a flattering depiction of you then? BTW, made the strip to just show a visual representation of how ridiculous you came across and not to add any funny comments. The depiction of you was all that was needed to make it funny.
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03-04-2011 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kleath
understood
cool

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03-04-2011 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by leviathan74
I have to say. Ghosting seems to me far far worse than multi-accounting.
By far. With multi-accounting the worst aspect is being anonymous to those who play against you. Ghosting achieves that without even having to enter the tournament not to mention only having to play the most significant portion of the tournament.

Ghosting is stealing players equity that got there legitimately. It is theivery plain and simple. Anyone defending ghosting or MA'ing pretty obviously has little to no morals/ethics.
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03-04-2011 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FatalError
Assuming this is true i don't have any problem with any of it, sounds like something a lot of people did in the early days of the US online poker boom before anyone knew it was wrong.
+1
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03-04-2011 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rockin
By far. With multi-accounting the worst aspect is being anonymous to those who play against you. Ghosting achieves that without even having to enter the tournament not to mention only having to play the most significant portion of the tournament.

Ghosting is stealing players equity that got there legitimately. It is theivery plain and simple. Anyone defending ghosting or MA'ing pretty obviously has little to no morals/ethics.
elaborate pls? let's say someone setup operation in that 100 players play in SM and then those who run deep gives out accs to one MTT reg who multitable those accs (that's pretty easy to setup IMO). So, other players still play with human being, some guy who may or may not play well, they have same equity in tournament etc... May be I am playing Devil's Advocate a little here but I really like to see where's stealing occur: only when somebody took over with superior skill? What if skill same? what if it's lesser skill?

if not taking control a problem, but adding additional players to a field then staking have same consequences an ghosting, isn't it?

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03-04-2011 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FatalError
Assuming this is true i don't have any problem with any of it, sounds like something a lot of people did in the early days of the US online poker boom before anyone knew it was wrong.
in 2009?

FWIW the staking that he does for the "community" as some posters put it, could easily be considered a continuation of his ghosting by adding new players to his team that he wouldn't have otherwise been able to reach. I'm not saying that this is the case, but it would be a pretty obvious next step.
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03-04-2011 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rockin
in 2009?

FWIW the staking that he does for the "community" as some posters put it, could easily be considered a continuation of his ghosting by adding new players to his team that he wouldn't have otherwise been able to reach. I'm not saying that this is the case, but it would be a pretty obvious next step.
no it wouldn't. are you even for real?


not sure if you guys listened to the latest 2p2 pokercast but they host him as a guest. pretty sure ppl who listen to it will realize how ridiculous some of these scenarios sound.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/97...x-katz-989633/
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03-04-2011 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by desperad0oo7
no it wouldn't. are you even for real?
quit TUTS'n up the thread please
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03-04-2011 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Akimka
elaborate pls? let's say someone setup operation in that 100 players play in SM and then those who run deep gives out accs to one MTT reg who multitable those accs (that's pretty easy to setup IMO). So, other players still play with human being, some guy who may or may not play well, they have same equity in tournament etc... May be I am playing Devil's Advocate a little here but I really like to see where's stealing occur: only when somebody took over with superior skill? What if skill same? what if it's lesser skill?
Don't understand the first part of your post but as to the last: It really wouldn't make sense for either the player getting ghosted or the ghoster to allow a player to take over when they have less skill. Don't understand why you would even suggest it.

As far as the bolded part of your post, are you saying poker is not a game of skill?
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03-04-2011 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rockin
in 2009?

FWIW the staking that he does for the "community" as some posters put it, could easily be considered a continuation of his ghosting by adding new players to his team that he wouldn't have otherwise been able to reach. I'm not saying that this is the case, but it would be a pretty obvious next step.
2009 in russia was like 2005 in the us, russian poker forums/players are a reboot of the poker world from scratch, not an extension of 2p2 or any other poker community. it's highly unlikely many russians are aware of any of the multi accounting or ghosting scandals over the last few years. keep in mind how poor russian to english translation works for poker, none of the short hand or slang converts back and forth readily so these stories might not be easy to access/understand.

if max really did this, found out he was wrong, and stopped immediately never to consider it again what can you say?
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03-04-2011 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by desperad0oo7

was robin hood a thief? hell yes. was he bad for the community? hell no.

he's a robin hood; the logic applies pretty closely
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03-04-2011 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by abracadabrab
So you agree that that is a flattering depiction of you then? BTW, made the strip to just show a visual representation of how ridiculous you came across and not to add any funny comments. The depiction of you was all that was needed to make it funny.

idc

breathe
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03-04-2011 , 07:32 PM
kleath you wanna chat on a couch, i have a tissue you can use and we can talk out all that pent up anger that seems to be oozing out...

<3 <3
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03-04-2011 , 07:34 PM
woah woah woah hold up, robin hood isnt made up?
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03-04-2011 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Quad_me's
kleath you wanna chat on a couch, i have a tissue you can use and we can talk out all that pent up anger that seems to be oozing out...

<3 <3

Depends can you put in a good word with PoutsoKefalos for me??


im sorry to that guy i called mean names, peetoon was snorting norcos off enterthewu19's shoulders and telling me to get aggro or hed slice his frozenveins with the knifefish8
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03-04-2011 , 07:53 PM
Guys, you should know one thing while reading and hearing explanations of Katz, pls, divide it by 2 or 22. Everybody lies.
Trust me, i reading his monologues and dialogues in russian communities and can do my opinion.

To have business with this person, your business completely. He has killed nobody and hasn't raped, so...
Hope there will be no one more russian 'Easy Rider' and the old situation with MA won't emerge.=)
GL
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03-04-2011 , 08:08 PM
lol kleath
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03-04-2011 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by oopsididitagain

He has killed nobody and hasn't raped, so...
good to know
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