1- Do you agree that the guy gives back to the community every day more than any EV he could have possibly stolen throughout his entire ghosting adventure? does that count for anything?

2- Do you really think getting backed by him, regardless of whether he ghosted 2 years ago or not is going to reflect anything on those getting backed by him? could it be possible that people are overdoing the "morality" thing considering we're involved in an industry that is by nature always going to have "dirty money" in it? finally, lets be real. The guy backs a gazzillion people. no one is gonna think or even have the time to think less of you for associating with him so this whole point is quite moot imo.

3- Do you not agree that ghosting is happening and will continue to happen ? if so then how is it fair to punish one guy who believed 2 years ago that he'd rather not be hypocrite about it? moreover, did he not clearly show respect for the community's desires and conviction by stopping the business regardless of what he personally thinks about ghosting?

If everyone who stole a $ of EV from the community gave $10 back in return the poker world would be a better place. that's a message I don't mind sending by "overlooking" an error of judgment he may have made 2 years ago.

Why do people think he is giving EV back to the community, he is making +EV moves for him/his business.

he isnt running some charity. he is investing in people who he thinks can make him money. whats so hard to comprehend about that?


(obv talking about his piece buying)

Yea there are probably alot of people who do or have done the same thing. The problem is that even when someone gets caught there is no punishment. Its people that say o well no big deal that help continue this. If everyone would treat these guys like the POS's that they are then maybe they wouldn't just show up in Vegas next week.Hell IDK maybe they would but I have no doubt that someone will be stroking him off just like they do all the other famous poker player that have obviouly cheated.

you sir go up and up in my scale of gents. true gent.

who gives a **** if it's a win-win situation?! is THAT so hard for you to get?

+1

For someone who sits atop of the highest of horses, Kleath, you sound ***** ******ed itt. It was rather apparent that OP is either Russian or very familiar with the Russian poker scene and used the translator as an objective means of conveying the information so as to not be accused of misrepresentation. If that was not enough, your contention that something could possibly be lost in translation was rendered completely meaningless after MaxKatz came in and verified precisely of what he was accused. Not sure what there possibly could be to get to the bottom of after someone says "Yup, I did it".

If the whole outburst was a level... try harder. It wasn't funny and completely counterproductive. I have definitely had a fair share of laughs thanks to you in the past, and I think you are the nuts on the felt, but I'm gonna have to agree with Shane's general opinion as far as your recent forum activity goes. The unwarranted hostility is extremely off putting.

Jeez, um, I think Zima gets "it."

I haven't read the accusations thoroughly, but I'm pretty sure there are shades of gray involved, so everyone needs to chill imo.

i would explain, but you are an idiot so dont feel like wasting my time

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there are quite a few losers in your win-win situation

Just because the buys shares now doesn't make what he may or may not have done in the past moral.

If you MA the huge million on Sunday and win large amounts of money and then start buying shares in the MP, that doesn't make what you did OK. You may be giving some back, but it definitely isn't the same as giving the money to charity or giving the money back to the people you stole from in the first place.

Like who? because if you mean the total fish who have 0 chance of getting backed then I think you should quit poker either because of your morals or because u mad?

Max Katz came forth and admitted his wrong doing and is trying to move on to a OFFLINE staking business where GHOSTING is not an option. He has settled this matter and wishes to put this behind him yet people are condemning him for being upright about it?? I am not advocating ghosting or agree that any of this is moral. However, what he is currently doing has very little or no correlation to this revealed past. People not wanting to associate themselves with "dirty money" is understandable and their prerogative, but in today's society that has been proven to be damn near inevitable. To try to investigate this further is pretty silly after the confession has been made, close case?

At what point did I argue his morality.

Lol at a russian millionaire businessman who deals in poker being moral as a default. Obv there are always exceptions, but lol.

Also, how many of you pay taxes to immoral governmentS? Morailty in itself is a naiive argument for this thread.

hey AWice and Dipthrong final tabled too, sick.

Do you even understand what you're arguing about? I'm sure the players who competed against the ghosted accounts would have legit claims to being victims here.

the more +ev players enter a particular event the less ev the other winning players have now. 2+2 marketplace makes the fields a little tougher. this is assuming the players wouldn't have played otherwise and that the aggregate of the live packages are +ev (against the house vig, not what max pays)

Ok, but what you are saying is pretty much, "What he did is ok because he buys peoples shares."

Would you say the same of someone who doesn't buy anything?

no.

was robin hood a thief? hell yes. was he bad for the community? hell no.

not saying he's a robin hood but the logic applies pretty closely. I just don't think poker is an environment that is conducive to idealism. Obviously it's conducive to hypocrisy though.

Buying shares in people you think are +EV is NOT "giving back to the community." It is exploiting talented but broke players for your own financial gain. Please note that there is nothing inherently negative or wrong about exploitation in this sense but it is by definition the opposite of charitable.

1- just putting more money in poker in general is going to be good for poker regardless. Players who claim to be victims are ignoring the fact that max contributes significantly to their EV (and everyone's) by getting more fish or avg winners into tournaments

2- If you know anything about max's business you'd know that his way of choosing who he backs is far from optimal and he's responsible for many a fish playing events well above their bankroll capabilities.

3- he is not ghosting anymore and can't even if he wanted to.

understood