[ ] moral grey area

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Let me clarify. I dont personally feel it is a moral grey area. If it were up to me ghosting would be just as frowned upon as multi accounting. but the fact of the matter is that it really isnt. therefore that would put it into some sort of moral grey area.. correct me if I'm wrong?

I think no. Obviously this is not a reason.

Most of regular winning players did this (in various types - ghosted somebody or been ghosted by somebody) at least once, or most likely many times. Most of them will never say about it, will never admit they did it, but they consider necessary to condemn Max. It's a hypocrisy.

Especially in case Max spoke with support of poker room, understood that this was a bad idea, and soon finished doing this. As I heard, he started this as help for "students" in his coaching program, and thought this is not a big deal. Everyone can be mistaken.

Ok my first post in the thread was deleted for whatever reason so it doesnt make as much sense now as it did before....
That said here is what I was trying to say:


Quoted the above, seems very aggressively worded, wondering why? 'They have to negotiate with me or I wont stop doing it' is the basic message it portrays. I mean for someone who seemed to be cleaner than clean, its easy to post nice friendly blog posts and get people to like you, but the above sounds damn wrong and maybe its all just been an act?
Maybe I'm being over critical, but it certainly seems the above quote understands that it is ethically wrong, but is attempting to use the 'but everyones doing it, why cant I'? Kind of thing. So you seem to accept it is wrong MadKatz, but maybe your ego, or greed doesnt allow you to do the morally correct thing, instead you seem to think you have a right to continue to do it, and stars should be coming to you. Almost big headed.


I mean if you were so aware it is often used by haters against you, and you are such a smart and logical guy, how could you not just come out and state it in the beginning when you start posting here? Instead it seems like you tried to build a really friendly nice guy persona on here so you could then fight off any negative press.

Maybe I'm being cynical, but something is just off.

i mean, you act like max is just some person doing a favor for people. his piece buying is a business and he feels he can make money there. its not some charity er something.

So wut ur saying is if i want to post on the forums i have to pull up all my dirty laundry and air it out for all to see so it wont be brought up later? Seems pretty unreasonable. Std politics.

IMO max worded his defense in english (not his native language) better than i could have ever worded a defense if i had been accused of something even if i was completely innocent. And he did it immediately, not like he waited days to come up with a story.

so many party poopers ITT.

Anything this thread is going to achieve is going to be bad for online poker and the community and the tangible benefits are almost non-existent. I mean are you guys even serious about trying to stop his current, seemingly legit staking business?? why???

No I'm saying that considering he said his haters always use ammo and this in particular its pretty naieve for him to think it wouldn't come out here. The fact it took so long is surprising, and if he knew it would come out here (if the haters are as strong as he believes) then surely he should have just come out and mentioned it in the blog.
I mean dont portray yourself as some sort of an angel if you're not one.

Because we don't want to associate our good reputations with potentially shady people. Or as they say in the legal profession, "to avoid any appearance of impropriety."

I cancelled Max's shares for the 1 event he had reserved for me to see how this develops. If Max's story about it only going on for 2 weeks and then realizing it was wrong and stopping it turns out legit, I would have no problem selling to him in the future(assuming he would still want to sell to me after cancelling his reserve here). But I think it will take weeks to sort this out and I don't want to do anything I regret.

eh if u read his well, its a new thing each week ppl try to come up with. Nothing against ur own personal opinion but TBH i have a hard time believing anything negative about max only because so many randoms show up hating on him.

It would have been a lot more credible if one thing popped up, had real evidence, and went with that. But these guys pull up every little rediculous thing that i just dont believe a word of it.

In the end max COULD turn out to be a shady dude, and those haters can only blame themselves for spewing so much hate that its actually not believable. Boy who cried wolf syndrome.

These guys create accounts and post on our forums. If he was that bad wouldnt they be glad to be rid of him? And glad he was going to americans? Sounds to me they might be bitter and pissed he isnt doing as much business in the russian market maybe?

As of right now, i dont see anything that would make me not want to do business with max. Untill something concrete comes up i will continue to do business with him without fear of tainting my own reputation.

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Why do we make a big deal of this an yet there are poker training websites where high profile instructors make live videos where they are openly ghosting their students (thinking mainly of cash games here but there may be some for MTTs)? Bit of a derail but that's interesting to me

srsly? kleath owned that sequence

I have to say. Ghosting seems to me far far worse than multi-accounting.

One more story from Max's career

He post some photos on gipsyteam.ru (http://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?...dpost&p=265503)

There where a group of players in Max's team, who plays in begining of online tourneys, their task was to pass 1/3 of the field, he paid them 200$ for every account (Max's words)

These players played as many accs as they can in one tourney





In later stages Max or other good player take control



Sometimes they won

+1 for the ruminator

yup

funny how this comes out after LAPC finish obv a hater.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA-okJmri2o

so he ghosts liveaments too?

Just quoting this picture to make sure Awice/JSchnett see it if they look at this thread

To Kleath:

You are probably the biggest anti-contributor to these forums. I know some people think your levels and cute remarks are clever and hilarious, but I find you bitter and annoying. And here you are the pot calling the kettle black.