Kaz image crashed. bwahahahah.

I don't understand the point here with "accused" . One last time.

In the past I made different stuff.
Back in 2007 I didn't had any idea about online poker, and participated in a team that played MTTs from internet cafe in 100kg's in Mansion Poker. Mansion allowed teams if they not chip dump or soft played, and I been to young and to new to poker to think about moral issues.
We didn't done anything to hide that we are a team. Our accounts called like DimaY, MarinaY, AlexY, GalinaY and some other Russian names without Y, we played from one IP address, sent money to all the accounts from one visa and one moneybookers account, registered accounts to our mothers and fathers etc.
Mansion never banned any of our accounts, because teams were allowed there. They made 50K daily overlays and made this rules —*if you not chip-dump and soft-play everything is ok.
When they entered the Ongame network they banned our accounts and said that now it is a new rule: one account per household.

Since then our team turned to be regular coaching-staking program, we tried to play on Stars (one account everyone), lost ~120K of our bankroll (because players that can beat Mansion can't beat Stars). In 2009 it stopped existing.

I'm not denying anything: I done this stuff. In 2009 I been a manager of one poker coach, and made a campaign "we will teach you to play endings". I published advertisement in my blog that we can teach you during the ending of a tournament.
After I received the letter from Stars we stopped doing it and stopped any advertising.

I done it. It was very stupid: if the Mansion would started now I would of corse do everything differently: best way is to find and just stake any players to it, without internet cafe or office. We been very lucky that Mansion allowed teams those days, and we didn't missed the gift. This is stupid by all means to threat gift like Mansion in this way, deff -ev.
I would never start ghosting project today.
I never been professional online player, only offline.

This is the story. I think most of you have stories like this in the start of your career. I made my mistakes, can't change the past, and have nothing to do with it today.

Today I managing and trying to built the best possible offline backing system, with 85% of the money in is not my. If you see from this stories, that I can't represent 17 Russian investors and stake you, I will go and find something else to do and they maybe will find themselves another manager and maybe will stop staking at all, I don't know.

You did not post "we will teach you to play endings". You ve posted about finishing tournaments for them for a fixed % of the prize. And i know for sure you ve MAed on Pokerstars. I can go on, but i think that's enough to render your post useless.

Ok. Not true of corse, never wrote about % of the price etc., but still ok. Why don't you answer my question?

This is the post about you, not me. Also i do not hide anything, this information is widely open. When i start doing business here or start a well, you can go into this question in more detail, if you want.

As for "not true" part. you took % of a prize for ghosting. It's widely open information nad you ve openly admited it a lot of times. I know a few people that used your services and the offer was pretty clear on the terms. You do whatever we say ( without any explanation of why he should do such a move ) and we get prize % in the end.

Max,

You and Stan used to be partners right? You started this staking operation with PokerRoyalty last fall if I remember correctly.

From what I have heard seems like Gypsy is mad at Max because he exposed the fact he scammed Ivan Demidov and is trying to get back at Max.

I want to say something in general. I am not russian, but i have dealt with tons of people from russian community (i was born in Russia and it's my mother tongue). I don't think to say that "all russian MTT players were involved in ghosting or multiaccounting" is a fair description. Vast majority of the people i dealt with were honest and they have tried to do the maximum to uphold the game's integrity.

There is a negative image of the community in the western world, i remember a Chainsaw thread about the so called "russian poker mafia" which turned out to be untrue of course and there absolutely no need to worsen the image further by using inaccurate descriptions (i'll phrase it diplomatically).

We are not partners and never been partners. He opened his fund stating that he will work with PokerRoyalty and buy shares from Tom Dwan . Don't know if they worked well.

I received few warnings, that if I will not stop talking about Gipsy here my reputation here will be ruined, my US visa terminated (interesting how that) and my face will be smashed. As it goes now, I starting to worry about my face

so absurd this stuff goes on.

You said you did this for 2 weeks, now it seems like you are saying you did it from 2007-2009.... just saying

Again not true.

If I will open another thread here, about you covering a scammer in Russia, you will answer there?
The facts are not known now, you never wrote about it in Russia. Seems like you are not doing it because you have big share in the business named on his name, and because your personal relations.
It lead to few huge scams made by him later, after your case...

come with the drama bomb!!!

Part of it even been published.

As far as somebody said to me, this is his brother.

if there is punctuation and stylistic mistakes - this is how it sound in original, I didn't fixed it. I mean, in russian, this is also mistakes.

Well then everyone is against you! Because i ve spoken with a few people that took your offer and that's how they ve described it. People here can read this thread, including the links and translations here, and make up their mind. I think there is enough evidence here, to prove me right. You can keep firing your "not true", scince there is nothing else left.

As for the Gipsy thread. No, i'm defenitly not gona argue with you here. I do not post on 2+2 and 99.9% of people here do not care. In short, when i realised Gipsy is out of money, i ve talked with him and we decided that he'll make a post, describing his financial situation, aka he is broke and owes money. He did just that. I think that's enough and rest of the story is my personal business.

This your standart discussion tactic. Attack the person and switch the focus of the discussion into a personal level. So i'll ignore all the posts about Gipsy, me etc and ask mods to move them somewhere else, to clean up the thread.

lol @ Katz trying 2 change the topic

Huge drama bomb coming up, stay tuned...

Whole situation seems mega shady.

The players that are getting funded now by Max are getting funded with likely stolen money that was stolen from themselves (in lost EV during these 'team' sessions, 100R teams etc)

And a big LOL at all these dramabombs coming from the wells and blowing up in OP's faces.

Oh rly Max? Please take a look here: http://maxkatz.ru/archives/941
Post dated March 26th 2010. I will post couple of interesting things from it here,
first off, his whole post translated:
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Many final tables — many impressions
The author: admin
Date: 26th March 2010
Heading: All
In connection with the well-known project, for the last week I played a lot online. Different small rebuys, freezes with large fields. I also played online earlier, but not such small tournaments. There are interesting observations.
Suddenly at the end of the tournament of $10 with rebuys for 1700 persons and with the 15K first place which we simply ripped up with top90 to top10, there starts hands like raise-reraise-3bet-4bet allin and it is constantly like this.

We left that tournament for the final table as chip leaders. From top9 there was a sheer hell, three guys continued to play as they played (probably they haven't changed each other) and were slowly blowing off that was a sorry sight.

I had a guy on my phone who had just passed the tournament for 1700 persons, and had a chance to increase his bankroll in 500 times. And I couldn't advise him «put on raise and reraise allin on JT because they were most likely empty, and even against their calling range JT helps us», the card was not lucky and we’ve got the 4th place.

It was offending to me that instead of soft opponents who could make nothing against us, the monsters have suddenly sat at the final table who did not care about a difference in 2К and show the game that is close to an ideal one in my opinion.

Anyway, I am not glad about the fact that I’m the one who could be attacked openly concerning ghosting and rules observance, but my opinion that this situation exists everywhere and works have become stronger.


I’m sure that in other cases they simply buy the nicknames directly, and Pro is sitting directly at the computer moving the mouse (this changes the game significantly). It seems to me that because the rooms have no possibility to war against such practice (I do not exclude that they could talk me round because I do it too much publicly, but the practice won’t lose from it even a percent), first of all they should authorize it (because it exists, speaking that it does not they simply create a certain illusion), and secondly to start to struggle for people at the table could know that the person under the nickname has changed.
First of all, there is very curious data about rooms’ and other sites’ attempt to war against this practice. There will be a detailed post about it.
At the moment I can only tell you that I have tried somehow to protect the users once. And only PokerStars replied me in an interesting and proved enough by arguments way. And that has led to the fact I don't finish tournaments on PokerStars since that day as I respect their position stated in the form of discussion instead of threats or any other messages.
I have already asked their permission to post this correspondence in my blog and as soon as I have it - I’ll make the post.
But this is not the main thing. The most important is that I have begun to observe more actively the opponents’ behavior.
I didn’t work particularly with Poker Tracker or HM earlier, the people in a staff worked but not me, and thus I didn't notice that the person with stats 5/3 could suddenly begin 3betting all that moves or 4betting allin in a bluff (I mean I noticed, but didn't know that he had stats 5/3 before).

Many people whom we play with have such programs. In general as I have learned now what ghosting is, I have begun to pay more attention whether my opponent is replaced or not.
The results are surprising. On big rooms in tournaments with the first place starting from 10К 3-6 opponents change one after another at the final table, and they change in a way that I could not cope with them. I understand what they do, and if I played myself, I could have probably played with them a non-profitable game. But when I advise and don’t play (and I always insist that it is to be so), then to cope with them is simply unreal.
I would have begun with the automatic message that the one who plays against you had changed his IP. It is possible also to use the other person computer at the moment, but it is much more difficult and not so far-reaching.
I could have given the tournaments course in details, there were very interesting endings and good results, but unfortunately I can't – the enemies are everywhere, they will squeal at once.
So, here I say goodbye, reminding that if you have reached the tournament final table , come over here, or knock on ICQ: 172-395-842 or Skype: max_katz.

How you like it? i will repeat most interesting part in quote:
I wanted to post same text in russian(in case Max will delete his post on maxkatz.ru) but post becoming too long and i will have to split it in two, i think no need to post it here rly becouse you can see it youself on link i provided(i have his post text saved on my pc for future incase..)
So, i know what Max still doing ghosting, but he hides it becouse its highly judged in Russia. And now he came with his dirty money to 2+2 and buying every player deal. I have no idea how much money he made from ghosting, he stated early what he made 30k in 2weeks, so 720k in a year? mb more than a mill?
David Wamplu, Gallen Hall, who else Max will buy with his ghosting money?

Wtf, this is a translation of an article published in 2009 in my blog in Pokeroff, quoted here 10 times already.
When I started the project, the very first one.
Maxkatz.ru is site that nobody uses, when I have archive of all my posts. It opened in May 2010. An employee started to move all my posts from pokeroff, and moved this one too.
About like 50 another articles been copied to this site at the same date, here.

Why lie again?

Mb Max, but atleast this is prove what you didnt ''coached the final stages of tournaments'' , you advertise ghosting to whole community. So who is lying?

screenshots ?

To be honest Max, only thing i wanna accomplish is to make 2+2 ppl see your dark side, you try to seem so good/professional here. Makes me sick what some1 here can believe your tales of band of Russian haters who follow you and spread lies about you.

I advertised ghosting publicly, made it, then stopped it, as I said here already 10 times.
In Maxkatz.ru 50 articles moved to this site in this date. Few examples (look at the dates, all the rest is irrelevant):





And this is the real articles, in the real blog, with the real dates:






I understand that you can use any methods, but this is so obvious manipulation. Maxkatz.ru is an archive, and the dates there are dates of the transition, and not the posting.
Why don't you stop change nick names here btw?

So you said you stopped ghosting project right after PokerStars asked you to right?
But later in the same post you saying
SO you didnt stop ghosting project, you stopped it on PokerStars, and how about other sites Max, how much EV u stole from unexperienced players?