The long-awaited Spring series schedule...

[BBV4L]

what about making some of the lowest buy in ones turbo or 10 min levels...this is alwyas sfun

[DCJ311]

I'd like to see Stars offer a larger number of turbo satellites to these events, kind of like they do for the EPT and LAPT events.

[stakman1011]

Originally Posted by shipontilt

The only question I have is, is stars trying to dwarf the WCOOP? I did not think that was the angle stars was going for announced there could be a spring series. Also, if the tier 3 in this series "fails" they will just adjust the next series accordingly.

Average buy-in of the WCOOP prelimis to be 50k with a 10 million dollar ME (and a 1 Billion guarantee) obv.

But seriously, I agree completely. For people raising arguments/concerns in this thread...I would imagine the people at Stars thought this through pretty well. They've probably considered the ramifications before making the schedule...they seem pretty smart.

If it turns out that this doesn't work quite as well as they hoped, then I'm sure next time they'll go back to one tier (or two tiers, or four tiers, or whatever).

Why don't we stop bitching about how their series isn't perfectly in line with your dream series, and respect the fact that they put together a unique and wonderful schedule that's better than any online series ever. No one said it was going to be completely perfect for everyone on the first try.

[GPilot]

Originally Posted by shipontilt

The only question I have is, is stars trying to dwarf the WCOOP? I did not think that was the angle stars was going for announced there could be a spring series. Also, if the tier 3 in this series "fails" they will just adjust the next series accordingly.

Not sure I fully agree with the diminishing WCOOP comments, even with the high buy-ins. I guess it depends how you look at it. Even if the WCOOP main event would stay at a 5k buy-in, it would likely have a much larger prize pool than the 10k in this format is likely to have imo. Then it's just a question of whether a relatively much smaller field 10k event is viewed as diminishing a much larger prize pool 5k event? It's not like there aren't big buy-in tournaments out there now, but people are still rather focused on the huge prize pools. The 10k event will probably have on average a much tougher field and it might be a tougher, more "precious" win, but still, there is something about a tournament with a >1m first...

I think the complaints of the high buy-ins are generated by people who are used to consistently playing all available buy-ins for MTTs, and suddenly are facing a schedule that they won't be able to play in all events. They need to realise they are not the target group for the high buy-ins and just be happy playing maybe some of the highs and the mids. The way I look at this, the mid level seems like a great series for me to play, and the low level let's me have some fun in what I expect to be huge fields. For the HU, I might likely just play the low level, as I don't want to put $2,500 in a single buy-in either. On top of this, I might try satty into some of the big buy-ins, depending on what the sat structures look like.

Looking at the schedule, to me it seems clear that Stars has kind of kept the previous SCOOP buy-in levels intact in the mid-levels, while adding the low buy-ins to let smaller stakes players take part, and adding the very high-levels to answer the call from people complaining about the small buy-ins of the previous schedule. Based on the guarantees, it's not like they are expecting huge fields for the big buy-ins either. I personally think that the small and mid level will blow through the guarantees, can't really comment on the high level, I think everyone is struggling to estimate how many people will be willing to put up that kind of money for a series.

Edit: And as someone with a normal job, love the fact that the last weekend is Easter with the Monday a holiday for the 2-day...

[pokeriseasy]

Originally Posted by ZBTHorton

Dude, calm it down about 10 notches. This is a very calm thread, there is absolutely no reason for any of this.

And to say that "nearly all" hsnl cash game players are going to play this event, is a pretty ridiculous claim. There are thousands of people in LA right now playing high limit cash games, but that doesn't mean the LAPC ME is going to have 3000 runners or something. The super high buyins will attract some hsnl players I'm sure. But just because you play 10/20nl online, doesn't mean you have the roll for a 10K tourney(in fact you likely don't).

Not true, if you play 10/20nl you def have the roll for a 10k tourney. You may not be rolled to play every 10k there is, but as a 1 shot deal it's not a huge hit for a 10/20 player to put up 10k. Every 10/20 regular has had many + or - 10k days. I mean its only 5 buyins.

[shipontilt]

I didn't mean to say that this series diminishes the wcoop. What I mean is that the wcoop is/was the premier series stars held, and now they are offering 22 "events" with 3 tiers a piece (in what I, and i'm sure many others assumed was going to be a smaller version of the wcoop). 66 tournaments in one series in pretty crazy.

[ZBTHorton]

Originally Posted by pokeriseasy

Not true, if you play 10/20nl you def have the roll for a 10k tourney. You may not be rolled to play every 10k there is, but as a 1 shot deal it's not a huge hit for a 10/20 player to put up 10k. Every 10/20 regular has had many + or - 10k days. I mean its only 5 buyins.

lol..wat

[pokeriseasy]

Originally Posted by ZBTHorton

lol..wat

What part don't you get?

[GPilot]

Originally Posted by shipontilt

I didn't mean to say that this series diminishes the wcoop. What I mean is that the wcoop is/was the premier series stars held, and now they are offering 22 "events" with 3 tiers a piece (in what I, and i'm sure many others assumed was going to be a smaller version of the wcoop). 132 tournaments in one series in pretty crazy.

[ ] 3*22=132

[T_Mac]

Just because you have a fair amount of 10k days doesn't mean you feel the desire to put up 10k for a tourney against mostly other great players.

[shipontilt]

Originally Posted by GPilot

[ ] 3*22=132

honestly i have no idea why i did 3*44 lol

[ZBTHorton]

Originally Posted by pokeriseasy

What part don't you get?

You just contradict yourself within your own statement.

You aren't "definitely" rolled. You're still underrolled, even if you are taking a shot or whatever, that has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Using your logic, like half of MTTc is rolled for the 40K WSOP NLHE event, since we all have more than 40K in our bankroll and we're just taking one shot at it.

My whole point was, there aren't just tons and tons of guys who play HSNL regularly. Lots of guys take shots, and lots of guys occasionally play it when games are good, but the amount of guys who regularly play it and have enormous bankrolls is just not that big.

Let's say I play 10/20nl, both live and sometimes online. Even if I had a comfortable bankroll online..say 40 buyins..expecting nearly every person in that category to play in a 10K online event is just ridiculous. That's like putting 12.5% of my roll up for one tournament. Not many professionals would ever do that, especially when the field is going to be ridiculously difficult. It's not like we're talking about the WSOPME.

[SabreWulf]

wow looks awesome i love stars

[pokeriseasy]

I didn't contradict myself, just pointing out the difference between being rolled for 10k buyins and having the roll to play 1 10k buyin, there is a huge difference. I'm not debating how many guys will play the 10k, I just don't think it's an accurate statemtent to say a large percentage of 10/20 players don't have the roll to play a 10k if they choose to. I'm also pretty certain most 10/20 regs have much bigger than 80k rolls. But I see your point about a lot of guys that play 10/20 are shot takers. I also don't think a huge percentage of 10/20+ players will be playing many of the events. They are cash players for a reason, they like it better than tourneys, and no matter the buyin it may not compell them to play.

[cortex101]

vamoooo brian

the schedule should be in the client within some hours right?

just tell when the pressure is too high btw.