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01-06-2010 , 08:20 AM

#51

peerlesspig

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Originally Posted by Cat+Cat

Nice chart, but I'm not a Push Bot, things will get very boring and regs will get more read on your push range.

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01-06-2010 , 09:29 AM

#52

3l3ftf33t

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This isnt poker

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01-06-2010 , 09:46 AM

#53

thebigeasy59

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the new developments itt are uplifting.

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01-06-2010 , 10:58 PM

#54

jontsef

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why can't we just see some flops

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01-07-2010 , 12:28 AM

#55

stevematador

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Originally Posted by jontsef

why can't we just see some flops

Because so many new players have no post flop skill, they think the game is won/lost strictly from preflop play, hence the love for push bot charts.

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01-09-2010 , 05:09 PM

#56

Markusgc

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Originally Posted by stevematador

Because so many new players have no post flop skill, they think the game is won/lost strictly from preflop play, hence the love for push bot charts.

bring your sarcasm detector in for a recalibration.

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01-09-2010 , 05:23 PM

#57

Nairb

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Originally Posted by stevematador

Because so many new players have no post flop skill, they think the game is won/lost strictly from preflop play, hence the love for push bot charts.

Or too many people think raise folding with 8bbs behind is proper strategy. If I am correct this chart was made based on 45 man turbo SNGs which do not exactly boast a great structure for post flop play. What post flop skill can realistically be utilized when the average stack is 12-15 after the first couple levels?

Sorry, but 45 man SNGs ARE won and lost pre flop imo.

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01-11-2010 , 11:39 PM

#58

MWIMC

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Originally Posted by trontron

the version found in the google link above is NOT the new version jcm4ccc is talking about in this thread...

Could someone please post a link to this or pm me so I can tell you where to send it? I am just beginning to play MTT and would like to learn to use these charts.

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01-12-2010 , 04:51 PM

#59

MWIMC

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01-27-2010 , 03:07 PM

#60

jtflush29

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You can use PusPot with these charts now.
http://www.pokerhub.org/pushpotdocs/setup.aspx
Questions or issues please just let me know.

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01-27-2010 , 06:35 PM

#61

Mrn42

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Does anyone that uses these charts use a program that shows you your M on all of your tournament tables? Something like PokerShortcuts or anything else.

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01-27-2010 , 06:44 PM

#62

Bakes

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Originally Posted by jtflush29

You can use PusPot with these charts now.
http://www.pokerhub.org/pushpotdocs/setup.aspx
Questions or issues please just let me know.

can someone verify this or whatever before i install an exe on my computer

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01-27-2010 , 07:05 PM

#63

jtflush29

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For others that have used it.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45...e-easy-696102/
http://forum.parttimepoker.com/shoot...ml#post7025758

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01-27-2010 , 07:52 PM

#64

dwiele

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bookmarked

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01-27-2010 , 08:58 PM

#65

cashgomer

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Originally Posted by stevematador

Because so many new players have no post flop skill, they think the game is won/lost strictly from preflop play, hence the love for push bot charts.

I agree with this. Just because you only have 7.3 big blinds does not mean you can't limp, or make a normal raise. I think alot of people underestimate the value for instance of minraising and folding to an allin in that situation.

Cmon play a little poker....

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01-27-2010 , 09:22 PM

#66

mlagoo

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Originally Posted by cashgomer

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01-27-2010 , 10:03 PM

#67

behemoth

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01-28-2010 , 05:57 PM

#68

Mrn42

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Originally Posted by Mrn42

Does anyone that uses these charts use a program that shows you your M on all of your tournament tables? Something like PokerShortcuts or anything else.

Anyone???

If not...how are you guys calculating your M when you go to look at the chart while playing a ton of tables?

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01-28-2010 , 07:22 PM

#69

behemoth

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Originally Posted by Mrn42

Anyone???

If not...how are you guys calculating your M when you go to look at the chart while playing a ton of tables?

If you know the size of the antes, a rough M calculation isn't that hard to do mentally.

Just look at the pot number before anyone else is in.

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05-26-2010 , 01:08 AM

#70

thret

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I don't suppose anyone has a similar chart for 6-max hyper sats? Where you only start with 3.7M?

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05-26-2010 , 01:23 AM

#71

sirswish6

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Originally Posted by jontsef

why can't we just see some flops

im a big fan of calling the blinds and seeing a flop, reduces bad beats

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05-26-2010 , 01:41 AM

#72

LostOstrich

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Originally Posted by jalexstine7218

I continually get knocked out on the bubble so I am trying to figure the proper push or fold procedure when it gets down to the final four players. does this chart work single table SNG.

The chart is based on chip equity rather than $ equity so the answer is no, it isn't necessarily correct for STTs because of ICM. It is however pretty awesome for mtts.

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Originally Posted by Cat+Cat

Nice chart, but I'm not a Push Bot, things will get very boring and regs will get more read on your push range.

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Originally Posted by cashgomer

Just because you only have 7.3 big blinds does not mean you can't limp, or make a normal raise. I think alot of people underestimate the value for instance of minraising and folding to an allin in that situation.

Cmon play a little poker....

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