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Old 03-02-2009, 04:29 PM   #26
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

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you know neither of those hands is a lock against 32o, right? they might fold those hands - or worse ones - or they might call, but just 'cause they hit the "call" button doesn't automatically ship the chips to them.
You may be right, but that's part of the process. As the user of the charts, it is up to you to make sure the calling range is correct. If the calling range that you think is correct is not represented on the chart, then you have to do the math yourself with pokerstove or something.

You are right, people are calling shoves lighter than they used to.
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Old 03-02-2009, 04:32 PM   #27
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I dispute that good sir
Another issue here is the calling range. Like for example if the assumed calling range is QT+, K9+, 22+, A8+, then that's not really accurate for 99 UTG with an M of 30. The accurate calling range is more like QQ+, AK. And that's it. So it changes the math dramatically. But like was said before, the old charts provided 3 different calling ranges, and it's up to you to figure out which one (or in this case none) applies.
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Old 03-02-2009, 05:35 PM   #28
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the old charts provided 3 different calling ranges, and it's up to you to figure out which one (or in this case none) applies.
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Old 03-05-2009, 11:52 AM   #29
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

If someone is willing to host it, I can provide a more user-friendly chart.
I calculated the calling ranges of the opponents based on a study I did of the $60 45-man turbos. What I did was to search hand histories for times when a player pushed for 3 – 10M in an unopened pot, and was called by someone who was not short stacked. I noted the hands that the player called (not what the player pushed with, but what they called with).
So, for example, here is some data for QQ – AA:

AA: 19
KK: 14
QQ: 22
My assumption was that nobody ever folded these hands in this situation. These hands, on average, occur 18 times every 1326 hands. I counted 55 instances of these hands in a particular situation, so I think it’s a fair assumption that, in the histories that I looked at, a total of 4051 opportunities occurred (55*1326/18) in which someone might have called the preflop pusher. Using that number, it’s easy to calculate the number of times someone actually called with a particular hand and what that represents in percentages.

For example, each pair should occur 18 times for every 4051 hands. So if I see only 6 pairs of twos, for example, I can assume that the likelihood that someone with twos will call your push is 33% (6/18).

As an example of the calling ranges that I calculated, this is the calling range if you are pushing from the 4th position or later (4 positions from the BB), and your opponent is NOT in the blinds:

JJ-AA; AKs-AQs; AKo: 100%
77-TT; AQo: 78%
55-66; A7s-ATs;ATo-AJo;KQo: 36%
22-44;A5s-A6s;KTs-KQs;QJs;A6o-A9o;KJo-KTo;QJo: 8%

This means that, if your opponent is holding QJo, 92% of the fold he will fold to your push, and 8% of the time he will be an idiot and call you.
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Old 03-05-2009, 05:10 PM   #30
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

jcm, your old charts were incredibly helpful to me before I was comfortable enough to pushbot by feel, and it's nice of you to share this as always. If you do manage to host an updated set of charts, I'd be interested in a copy.
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Old 06-01-2009, 06:48 AM   #31
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

bump for updates
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:11 AM   #32
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

The OP sent my eyes into a epeletic fit!
Looks intesting tho and will defo look again after my eyes get better
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Old 06-02-2009, 05:26 PM   #33
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

Do these also reflect blinds and antes when you double through?
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Old 06-02-2009, 10:30 PM   #34
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thanks so much.
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Old 06-03-2009, 01:47 PM   #35
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

is there any formatted version of this yet? (The previous edition as PDF would suffice)
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Old 08-11-2009, 05:35 PM   #36
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

god i don't get any of thus stuff
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Old 08-11-2009, 07:27 PM   #37
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

Thanks a lot for posting this Jcm! Very generous of you. Like all of the others have said...the old charts in the PDF format were outstanding and would love to get a version of that with this newly updated chart.
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:02 AM   #38
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I can host the PDF file if needed.
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:02 AM   #39
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i wish i could read it
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:38 AM   #40
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

Made excel version of this, if anyone wants it just PM me.
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Old 01-04-2010, 12:38 AM   #41
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

I still don't understand how to read this chart. Can anyone explain it better. What do M's stand for? Are these the number of BB you have left or are they different. Any help is appreciated.
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Old 01-04-2010, 01:05 AM   #42
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I still don't understand how to read this chart. Can anyone explain it better. What do M's stand for? Are these the number of BB you have left or are they different. Any help is appreciated.
To calculate your M you take your stack divided by the total number of chips it will cost you per orbit. So, Your Stack / SB + BB + (Ante * # of players)

For example: Say the level is 200/400 Ante 50 and nine players
You take 200(sb) + 400(bb) + 50*9(antes) = 1050

So then you would take your stack and divide it by 1050. So say you have 6000 in chips, your M would be 6000/1050 = 5.7.
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Old 01-04-2010, 02:16 AM   #43
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

Thanks for the help with understanding M. Having said that, does this chart work for single table SNG's as well. when I test the numbers on an icm calc the figures don't match up.
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Old 01-04-2010, 03:54 AM   #44
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

Thanks JCM, I have recently been working through the old pdf version and would be interested in an updated version in a similar format.

Love your work
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Old 01-04-2010, 06:00 AM   #45
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

Anobody got the PDF and can ship?
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Old 01-04-2010, 06:01 AM   #46
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Anobody got the PDF and can ship?
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Old 01-04-2010, 07:37 AM   #47
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sourc...0718907b4ba39b

first result

theres also a HTML version which I find much better as you can search it using a web browser.
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Old 01-04-2010, 08:49 AM   #48
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

the version found in the google link above is NOT the new version jcm4ccc is talking about in this thread...
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Old 01-06-2010, 03:02 AM   #49
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Re: Latest Push-Bot Charts

I continually get knocked out on the bubble so I am trying to figure the proper push or fold procedure when it gets down to the final four players. does this chart work single table SNG.
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Old 01-06-2010, 06:46 AM   #50
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Nice chart, but I'm not a Push Bot, things will get very boring and regs will get more read on your push range.
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