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09-30-2012 , 06:02 PM

ragna

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Villain is 23/21 over 40 hands, been quite active. Do we have enough Equity or FE to shove?

If villain was tighter like 13/12, what we do?

If we were readless, what we do?

Please answer all three questions, thanks!

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MP1: t193820 M = 10.09
MP2: t151884 M = 7.91
CO: t130090 M = 6.78
BTN: t76728 M = 4.00
SB: t52887 M = 2.75
Hero (BB): t96277 M = 5.01
UTG: t182136 M = 9.49
UTG+1: t99736 M = 5.19
UTG+2: t231226 M = 12.04

Pre Flop: (t19200) Hero is BB with A

4 folds, MP2 raises to t16000, 3 folds, Hero ???

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09-30-2012 , 06:33 PM

fidstar-poker

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You basically are readless with 40 hands if his stats are 23/21.

I think its a lineball. Dont mind either play.

Also, I doubt he folds to a 3bet.

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10-01-2012 , 11:34 PM

ImoOnTilt

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If he's been active you are probably well ahead of his opening range from that position. Plus, you have some FE. It's shove/fold...and I'd shove with your stack size.

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10-02-2012 , 12:49 AM

Stoic_V

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1. shoving looks ok against this 23/21 villain. Usually we have no FE here. But with villain being this active a lot of weak holdings in his open which he will fold or you will have decent equity against them.
2. 13/12 villain - I am more inclined to fold.
3. readless - no FE. will let this spot go.

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10-02-2012 , 01:29 AM

Dragons_Egg

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Depends on what he's done when/if people have 3-bet or called any of the hands he's opened. Also whether you perceive him to be a competant player or not.

You may not have much FE with 12 BB's and the fact that he opened into 2 sub 10BB stacks should narrow his opening range.

If you think you can find better spots on your table then I lean towards fold. I think I'd prefer to shove with a hand like 9-8 suited here, rather than a suited ace.

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10-02-2012 , 07:33 AM

MeowImQh

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72750/c

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10-02-2012 , 09:25 AM

HUHandEH

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I finished 18443 this week

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10-02-2012 , 09:27 AM

Gabethebabe

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PPT says you have 46% equity vs a 21% range and 39% vs a 12% range.
So against their calling range you are probably quite behind.

Against a 13/12 I would fold this quickly. Against a 24/21 it is close and kinda depends on your image too, because that will define the fold equity you have (if you think villain is paying attention to those things). Have you been tight or did you 3b and PFR actively the last 10 hands?

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10-02-2012 , 09:57 AM

eh777

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What are your stats? If you've not played many hands and haven't 3-bet atall then I'm shoving, if I'm villain Im opening a lot of Q,Js J,10s K,10 type hands.

Should note that this is also dependant on the sb stats, if he's folded his was down to 6bb then I'm shoving, but it he's been quite active then villain has a tighter opening range because sb is jamming a lot.

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10-02-2012 , 10:25 AM

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furo

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fold, he often jams his weaker hands

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10-02-2012 , 12:53 PM

#11

eh777

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Originally Posted by furo

fold, he often jams his weaker hands

Even with the 130k stack ahead of him?

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10-02-2012 , 03:15 PM

#12

MeowImQh

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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe

dont think villain can level himself, most of theese players are bad

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10-02-2012 , 05:34 PM

#13

gamboneee

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Originally Posted by furo

fold, he often jams his weaker hands

you dont think with stats like that he can be r/f pretty liberally here with his stack? i dont think the avg person has a shoving range there

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10-02-2012 , 05:44 PM

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Jankis006

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23/21 over 40 hands is enough to shove it in his face here, ur getting short

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10-02-2012 , 09:43 PM

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buggits30

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i would shove, would rather have a A2-A5 suited type hand because they have slightly more equity when called, but you have the A blocker and this guy is opening wide enough to reshove

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10-04-2012 , 09:20 AM

#16

furo

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Originally Posted by eh777

Even with the 130k stack ahead of him?

yes

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Originally Posted by gamboneee

you dont think with stats like that he can be r/f pretty liberally here with his stack? i dont think the avg person has a shoving range there

alot of LAGs dont r/f into 10BB stacks and just jam
the average person will limp hands others would jam or openfold. a 24/21 does rarely limp in this spot so his raising and jamming ranges gets weaker.

as said before, they often jam the weaker hands and r/c the top of the range to get more action.

this is a trivial fold w/o more reads.
prob jamming vs his CO open, def jamming vs his BTN/SB open

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10-04-2012 , 01:12 PM

#17

eh777

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Originally Posted by furo

yes

alot of LAGs dont r/f into 10BB stacks and just jam
the average person will limp hands others would jam or openfold. a 24/21 does rarely limp in this spot so his raising and jamming ranges gets weaker.

as said before, they often jam the weaker hands and r/c the top of the range to get more action.

this is a trivial fold w/o more reads.
prob jamming vs his CO open, def jamming vs his BTN/SB open

It's a 20bb stack... I don't think a raise fold is beyond anyone in a tournament, I think only 180 man regs are jamming with weaker hands, raise/fold with 20bb is pretty normal in an $11 tournament.

Open shoving 20bb into 4 people is a 180 man play, it's ******ed deep in a tournament, there's no need when most average players aren't exploiting a min/raise fold.

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10-04-2012 , 03:16 PM

#18

furo

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Originally Posted by eh777

It's a 20bb stack...

Spoiler:

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10-04-2012 , 09:16 PM

#19

eh777

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It's not a 10bb effective stack against the 130k stack is it?!?

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10-05-2012 , 08:21 AM

#20

petesgotaces

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Shove the A

. This is your time to make a stand! I don't think this player is definitley calling your shove either. Your stack can cripple him pretty bad. I think it's pretty clear cut with 12BB to make your move.

petesgotaces

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10-05-2012 , 10:10 AM

#21

furo

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Originally Posted by eh777

It's not a 10bb effective stack against the 130k stack is it?!?

its not 20BB vs the rest of the stacks is it?

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10-05-2012 , 11:09 AM

#22

Elephants_pride

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he def can r/f with 20bb stack, but he's opening into 4 shortstacks, so it all comes to whether he's competent or not. Stats are a bit irrelavant here esp on that samplesize.

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10-08-2012 , 12:16 PM

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kick2dante

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its time to gamble, your against a guy who opens to often, shove it in and hope he doesnt have a hand this time

i love me some A rag 3betshoves, pretty sure its a favorite over any pair 99-KK

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10-08-2012 , 12:33 PM

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ExpectedV

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Originally Posted by furo

fold, he often jams his weaker hands

This. Just look at the stack sizes. He should be only opening good hands that he's snapping off a resteal imo. All the inbetween hands and junk he will most likely be open shoving.

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10-09-2012 , 12:49 AM

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gamboneee

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Originally Posted by kick2dante

its time to gamble, your against a guy who opens to often, shove it in and hope he doesnt have a hand this time

i love me some A rag 3betshoves, pretty sure its a favorite over any pair 99-KK

those kind of jokes arent funny

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