Hi all

Ive always wondered this. Hellmuth, like him or hate him, does seem to go far in a lot of tournaments. Whatever he does beneath those cards its obviously something a lot of people are not doing. I mean even cashing in the main event is quite impressive when you thnk how many entrants there are and how few get paid in comparison.

But anway.. if Hellmuth say entered 1 major tournament a day, for a month, how many do you think he would cash in? So say 30 tournamanets in a month.

Do you think he would crush and turn a big profit? And i guess for the ease of argument lets just say he went in a $30, 180 man sit n go every day.... Would he turn a profit at the end of the month? (as i know there is a big difference between say a $30 sit n go, and the Sunday million for example). What do you think his profit margin would be? If at all

Thanks

Not sure he'd beat the 30$ 180mans, he'd beat the milly though of course. Still not a favorite to win over a month, 30 mtts is a really really small sample. You have to get lucky to win over such a sample.

ty ^^ im suprised, i thought youd say hed have at least 5 cashes or something. Really makes me wonder how tough those $30 SnGs must be.. and likewise why arent those players entering bigger tournaments themselves! If Hellmuth would struggle in them

Lol you're kidding yourself if you think Hellmuth would "struggle." He's a dick so most people don't like/respect him but cmon. 14 bracelets and most cashes in WSOP. He is a good tournament player.

Anyway, obviously 30 tournaments would mean absolutely nothing one way or the other.

Hellmuth is good live. He has great ability at reading people. His ability for it in razz is legendary, and converts well to nlhe. His pure foundations and fundamemtals and overall nlhe theory is not that good.

Id be surprized if Hellmuth could beat a $20 abi schedule on stars, but I also think he is profitable in wsop 5k full ring.

Yeah and with 5 cashes out of 30 mtts you're still down money unless you cash something big, that was my point. But 30$/180man sngs are mostly about sharp short stack play, and I don't think Hellmuth knows proper ranges better than the average regular in a 30$/180. They're not extremely tough but they're fast and with high rake I wouldn't be surprised if Hellmuth was somewhere near 0 EV in those.

The succesful 30$/180man regulars probably do enter bigger tournaments. But they might fall short on deepstack play if they've only focused on turbo's.

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he obv meant to say hyper turbo only 20 abi sched lissi....

If poker entertainer Kevin Martin can beat $20 abi schedule on stars . I'm just going to assume Hellmuth jr can

I would be pretty surprised if Phil Hellmuth beats me in a HU match to be honest.

I mean he's never really played much online, and I've played a little bit. So therefore I have a GIANT advantage!

I think I would obliterate Hellmuth's stack in a matter of seconds...

Maybe you mean the chances of showing a loss over that sample is higher but in theory a win rate is a win rate and if it's positive then so is your expectation. 30 games or 30 million

Ok maybe the 180's were a bad example due to variance and short stack

What about say a minimum of 1000 entrants, deep stack torny every day for a month?

But i guess my overall point is.. the man seems to crush live tournaments. Making so many final tables, winning bracelets or simply just cashing in big tournaments. That I always wondered how he would fare online, if he was a grinder. WOuld he be a big MTT winner basically?

Thanks

Yes of course, but the question was whether he'd make a profit over 30 games. To which the answer is, not likely, even if he destroys the games.

Lol @ u random dudes messin with the goat :-D

Soepgroente is pretty spot on imo.