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12-27-2012 , 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by darkprince
Not to the extent of Deep Blue in chess. Pt I'm making is that poker isn't absolutely based on math.



This is ridiculous, I didn't expect that type of response. Obviously I don't know why I'm doing not as well that's why I'm seeking advice. Wth does "standard idiotic OPs" mean, anyway, that it's beneath you to reply? If I knew exactly what to ask based on your criteria and knew what to address, why should I bother asking ppl here? At least some posters here have identified what should be provided: e.g. sample size, limits, etc. That's the point of a thread, to go from general to specific, or should I include my entire life story in the OP for fear of excluding anything?




Pls tell me what advice I've received so far? Right now it's:
-I'm a feel player, but there is nothing constructive from that (maybe a level, I dunno what can come from that tangent)
-need more of a sample size (ok, great, either 10,000 or 5,000 for online, I only have 500+)
-get a HUD/coach (yep, considering that)
-hope that I'm not playing at the same levels live vs online (no I'm not, live is $1000 max, online is $100 max)

I originally put this in the internet forum but it was moved here. I have no idea where it should go now if even the mod is wrong.
No idea why your being hostile

Fwiw Bots have solved limt holdem already and have crushed up to midstakes no limit cash games.

Standard idiotic OP means yours is one of the hundreds of posts of players asking why they can't beat some form of poker. If you used the search function I am sure you would find lots of similar threads.


Also lol at calling out players in the thread. You really don't realise that nearly everyone ITT is a solid winning player with hundreds of thousands of $ in profit. Somehow you got some genuine answers ITT but acted like a spoilt little girl

Genuinely gl in your games though
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12-27-2012 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by darkprince
Not to the extent of Deep Blue in chess. Pt I'm making is that poker isn't absolutely based on math.
You're wrong, and what you refer to as "feel" is just an intuitive way of doing a math problem. When you're trying to "detect a bluff," you're making a guess about the frequency your opponent is bluffing at based on the data you've collected experientially. A computer can absolutely do the same thing based on the data it has collected, it is just much more difficult to program a computer to extrapolate related assumptions from a data point, e.g. that someone who bluffs in a certain spot is more likely to bluff in other specific spots, or that someone's bluff frequency is about to change drastically from their frequency over a larger sample because they just got caught bluffing, etc.

These adjustments are things that a HUD can't really help you with, but that's not an argument against giving yourself access to the information. You are also probably nowhere near as good as you think at making these adjustments, falling prey to the typical hindsight and selection biases that most poker players do, and would be much better off making fundamentally sound decisions based on the information available to you until you have a better grasp of how to do that, THEN try to work "feel" into your game.

Last edited by NeverScaredB; 12-27-2012 at 06:34 AM. Reason: In before defensiveness, "Are you even a winning player?" comebacks
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12-27-2012 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Rowniwn
That's a pretty cool spelling of my name, shoulda thought of that.
Whilst we're on the subject, would you please be able to provide me with a phonetic spelling of your name as I see it all the time and it tilts me that I have no idea how to pronounce it. tyty

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Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
You're wrong, and what you refer to as "feel" is just an intuitive way of doing a math problem. When you're trying to "detect a bluff," you're making a guess about the frequency your opponent is bluffing at based on the data you've collected experientially. A computer can absolutely do the same thing based on the data it has collected, it is just much more difficult to program a computer to extrapolate related assumptions from a data point, e.g. that someone who bluffs in a certain spot is more likely to bluff in other specific spots, or that someone's bluff frequency is about to change drastically from their frequency over a larger sample because they just got caught bluffing, etc.

These adjustments are things that a HUD can't really help you with, but that's not an argument against giving yourself access to the information. You are also probably nowhere near as good as you think at making these adjustments, falling prey to the typical hindsight and selection biases that most poker players do, and would be much better off making fundamentally sound decisions based on the information available to you until you have a better grasp of how to do that, THEN try to work "feel" into your game.
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12-27-2012 , 08:07 AM
In before OP questions if NSB is a winning player
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12-27-2012 , 09:00 AM




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12-27-2012 , 09:07 AM
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12-27-2012 , 02:55 PM
Doubt this thread is real life.
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12-28-2012 , 04:49 AM
yeah online is tougher than live mtts indeed.
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