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Old 04-16-2009, 03:52 AM   #1
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Etiquette issue. Last hand of the night in a multi day live tourney.

I would like to hear other people's opinions on this. If I'm posting this in the wrong section, sorry. Please move it to the appropriate place.

Irish Open Main. It was the last level of the night. There is 1:20 left on the clock and I was utg. I had a 32k stack playing 3/600 (53ish BBs)

I wanted to make sure this would be the last hand of the night so I wouldn't have to post the BB next. I stalled for a full minute until there were about 20 seconds left on the clock and then mucked.

It was obvious what I was doing but I didn't really care.

A few players at the table flipped out on me. Saying what I was doing was like cheating and it was a horrible thing to do.

The player that flipped out on me the most was actually a well respected European pro too. (Well respected by others, not by me. I thought he played terrible.) I won't name him.

After the hand finished we were talking a lot of sht to each other. At one point he called me knob. lol. He then ran over to the floor man, accused me of stalling and asked him to give us another hand. I could tell the floor man wanted to kiss said pro's ass and actually gave me a warning for stalling and threatened to penalize me if someone else complained about me stalling.

Remember, I only took 1 minute to act. It's not like I did this for 2 or 3 minutes. As far as I know every player is allowed 1 minute to act on his or her hand.

Don't basketball teams run the clock down when they are trying to protect a lead? I'm trying to protect my stack. Isn't this just good strategy?
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Old 04-16-2009, 03:57 AM   #2
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Re: Etiquette issue. Last hand of the night in a multi day live tourney.

Yes, youre a nob. Youre putting yourself and every other +EV player at an advantage and youre missing a great spot to accumulate lots of chips.

It may not be cheating within the rules but it very much breaks the spirit of the game.
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:01 AM   #3
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Re: Etiquette issue. Last hand of the night in a multi day live tourney.

Taking one minute doesn't seem like a big deal. I probably would have done the same and if anyone had said anything I would of just said I had a decision.
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:01 AM   #4
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Re: Etiquette issue. Last hand of the night in a multi day live tourney.

i would just pay the smaller bb before it goes up. you have 53 already, what is the big deal? why wait to pay it?

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Old 04-16-2009, 04:03 AM   #5
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i would just pay the smaller bb before it goes up. you have 53 already, what is the big deal? why wait to pay it?
end of day. table breaks and you redraw.
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:15 AM   #6
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Re: Etiquette issue. Last hand of the night in a multi day live tourney.

realized that might be the case right when i posted, me = live noob
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:27 AM   #7
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you acted completely appropriately
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:33 AM   #8
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Re: Etiquette issue. Last hand of the night in a multi day live tourney.

only thing i would have done differently was tank for a minute and then raise. other then that its fine.
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:49 AM   #9
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Re: Etiquette issue. Last hand of the night in a multi day live tourney.

well played sir Doesn't seem like that big a deal (1 Minute)

Draw Euro pro's table on day 2 and stack him please.
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Old 04-16-2009, 05:25 AM   #10
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Re: Etiquette issue. Last hand of the night in a multi day live tourney.

Nothing pisses me off more than the "stalling is always -EV" morons that come into every one of these threads describing a spot where stalling was obviously a +EV decision. Like you can play the BB profitably against any reasonable tournament field. ROFL.

Anyway, it may be slightly bad etiquette, but it's a small enough thing that I don't think it's worth making a big deal about and I'd probably do the same thing in your situation.
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Old 04-16-2009, 05:25 AM   #11
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Re: Etiquette issue. Last hand of the night in a multi day live tourney.

DBag move imo. i absolutely hate when people do this.

edit: i could see people not being bothered by it like i am, but wtf at encouraging it. I pretty much just don't talk at the table, but this kind of **** has inspired me to get into it with multiple different liveclowns. i'm ashamed you fellow internet guys think it's fine.

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Old 04-16-2009, 05:35 AM   #12
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Re: Etiquette issue. Last hand of the night in a multi day live tourney.

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DBag move imo. i absolutely hate when people do this.

edit: i could see people not being bothered by it like i am, but wtf at encouraging it. I pretty much just don't talk at the table, but this kind of **** has inspired me to get into it with multiple different liveclowns. i'm ashamed you fellow internet guys think it's fine.
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Old 04-16-2009, 05:39 AM   #13
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Re: Etiquette issue. Last hand of the night in a multi day live tourney.

I was on the table, couple of things. You're exaggerating the response to it, no one "ran to" the floorman and no one used the word "cheating" IIRC. I said it was "lame", which it was. Especially all the head-shaking and re-checking your hand, this act was kind of insulting to our intelligence seeing as you had done nothing like that all day.

The point about missing a good spot was well made. With your stack and your table image I would actually have been hurrying to play the big blind because it would have been a great spot to re-ship on someone last hand of the day. That would be a much better attitude to take into your game rather than looking for mini-EV angle shots like this.

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Old 04-16-2009, 05:47 AM   #14
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Old 04-16-2009, 05:58 AM   #15
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Re: Etiquette issue. Last hand of the night in a multi day live tourney.

It's a dickbag move, dickbag.
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