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Old 09-08-2011, 04:18 PM   #1
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Epic Poker League's treatment of Michael Di Vita

http://www.stayonpoker.com/headlines...-sex-offender/

OK, so just let me make a couple of things clear. What Di Vita did and whether he should be lynched for it is not the issue I want to talk about. Whether it's right for the EPL to be making judgements on who can and can't play its tournaments isn't the issue either (although I might raise that on another day). My issue is exactly how this was handled, as follows :

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Having been blocked from registering, DiVita was refunded the $1,500 he paid to enter the Pro/Am and his seat at the Main Event was awarded to tenth place finisher – Jamie Kaplan.
DiVita won a $20k seat in the satellite. He was then told he couldn't play, and then "refunded" his $1500 entry fee. Now I realise that the EPL didn't pocket the $20k, and that they gave the seat to the next guy, but how can it be right for them to do that? That seems completely wrong to me. How would you feel if it happened to you? If they didn't stop him entering to start with, they should either let him play the event or at a minimum give him his $20k, IMO. Thoughts?
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Old 09-08-2011, 04:21 PM   #2
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Yeah that seems like a pretty absurd joke that he didn't get 20k. Like, just insane. He won the money and they're now stealing from him.
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Old 09-08-2011, 04:22 PM   #3
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that's just plain wrong. They took his money, allowed him to enter (is that a contract?) and he is due the $20K.
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Old 09-08-2011, 04:22 PM   #4
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Re: Epic Poker League's treatment of Michael Di Vita

he should probably file a complaint with the NGC. i don't think a licensed nevada casino is allowed to reverse-freeroll someone.
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Old 09-08-2011, 04:27 PM   #5
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Re: Epic Poker League's treatment of Michael Di Vita

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Yeah that seems like a pretty absurd joke that he didn't get 20k. Like, just insane. He won the money and they're now stealing from him.
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Old 09-08-2011, 04:33 PM   #6
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Re: Epic Poker League's treatment of Michael Di Vita

How stupid is this league? Thanks for putting the poker community in a spot to stick up for a child mollester rather than the brand new super awesome Epic Poker Fail.
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Old 09-08-2011, 04:33 PM   #7
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Re: Epic Poker League's treatment of Michael Di Vita

As the sole benefactor of the decision I have a hard time speaking objectively about it. Also every time Annie was asked about it she just said that the league took no formal action against him and that he voluntarily withdrew.

Also Erik Seidel runs and plays really good.
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Old 09-08-2011, 04:36 PM   #8
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Re: Epic Poker League's treatment of Michael Di Vita

Would be interested to hear the whole story behind this guy's charges before I decide to laugh at him and give EPL a thumbs up for ****ing him over. Even with date filters haven't been able to google up anything more than just that same brief statement tho
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Old 09-08-2011, 04:59 PM   #9
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it isn't relevant
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:01 PM   #10
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Re: Epic Poker League's treatment of Michael Di Vita

So people are surprised that annie duke is a thief? Lolol
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:04 PM   #11
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Re: Epic Poker League's treatment of Michael Di Vita

It actually says a lot for the EPL that none of this surprises me in the least. When the whole Chino Rheem thing kicked off I said they were on a slippery slope, and now they're even further down it. What's next?
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:11 PM   #12
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The only way I think this could have conceivably happened is if that he gave false information or failed to declare information to the EPL prior to this. I understand that the EPL has some form of ethics committee (paging Timex) and if there is some form completed before which would ask players for info such as prior convicitons etc and he deliberatley omitted these convictions, then it's understable.. Obviously if not, it's outrageous, but hardly suprising since all this league is about is profit and you obv need good PR for that.

In the UK this past weekend a man won a £1,000,000 freeroll on live tv, it has since been brought to the public's attention that he had a prior conviction for assaulting a woman. Although the production company despite protests have decided to let him keep all of his winnings, without disclosing whether or not he had infact disclosed the prior convcitions, they have since removed two potential contestants, either due to prior or more recent disclosure of previous convcitions.
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:18 PM   #13
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The only way I think this could have conceivably happened is if that he gave false information or failed to declare information to the EPL prior to this. I understand that the EPL has some form of ethics committee (paging Timex) and if there is some form completed before which would ask players for info such as prior convicitons etc and he deliberatley omitted these convictions, then it's understable.. Obviously if not, it's outrageous, but hardly suprising since all this league is about is profit and you obv need good PR for that.

In the UK this past weekend a man won a £1,000,000 freeroll on live tv, it has since been brought to the public's attention that he had a prior conviction for assaulting a woman. Although the production company despite protests have decided to let him keep all of his winnings, without disclosing whether or not he had infact disclosed the prior convcitions, they have since removed two potential contestants, either due to prior or more recent disclosure of previous convcitions.
QFT.

Unfortunately, most people are blinded by the nature of his crimes, and don't see this situation the way the posters in this thread do.

He did his time. He could have murdered 100 people for all I care. The Epic Poker League mishandled this, given what we know.
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:26 PM   #14
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Re: Epic Poker League's treatment of Michael Di Vita

I don't like the way this has been handled. I don't like that Annie's only been talking to people on breaks about it. The entire league should have been notified by email about what's been going on already.

We talked about it a lot yesterday. I don't think that he "withdrew" or is getting $1500 only. If this is the case he should go straight to his lawyer.

When I signed the Code of Conduct, Annie said, "We don't care about what you've done in the past." Be good now though, and "don't commit any felonies."

CoC and other league documentation can be found here:

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Old 09-08-2011, 05:41 PM   #15
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I don't like the way this has been handled. I don't like that Annie's only been talking to people on breaks about it. The entire league should have been notified by email about what's been going on already.

We talked about it a lot yesterday. I don't think that he "withdrew" or is getting $1500 only. If this is the case he should go straight to his lawyer.

When I signed the Code of Conduct, Annie said, "We don't care about what you've done in the past." Be good now though, and "don't commit any felonies."

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well, we all know he won't go to a lawyer, it's not worth 18.5k - lawyer costs for him to make a big deal about being a convicted pederast who is being unfairly treated by a poker tournament. I'm assuming when you're in a position like his you try to hide your past as much as possible, not have it on the 7 pm news
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:06 PM   #16
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Re: Epic Poker League's treatment of Michael Di Vita

xaston>child molester in a nail biter.

no but seriously the epic poker league sure has had some conduct issues in less than 2 full events. go figure.
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:11 PM   #17
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and both involve 'stealing' money. go figure.
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:55 PM   #18
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don't people sue over less than 18.5k all the time? why is it obv he wouldnt go to a lawyer? not like this case is TV-newsworthy anyway.
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:00 PM   #19
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:05 PM   #20
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don't people sue over less than 18.5k all the time? why is it obv he wouldnt go to a lawyer? not like this case is TV-newsworthy anyway.
it would make the las vegas news, where he lives, i'm sure some of his neighbors would see it who had no idea he was a registered pederast (just like the poker world didn't)
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:20 PM   #21
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edit - i'm an idiot

Anyway, seems like a ridiculous decision
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:40 PM   #22
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As the sole benefactor of the decision I have a hard time speaking objectively about it. Also every time Annie was asked about it she just said that the league took no formal action against him and that he voluntarily withdrew.

Also Erik Seidel runs and plays really good.
whether or not you benefited, i'm shocked that you say you have trouble analyzing the situation objectively. you can't see why it's a problem that someone paid a buyin to enter a tourney, won a prize, and then had that prize taken from them? if he busts at any point before winning, this guy just loses his $1500 buyin. if he wins, he gets his prize money taken from him and only receives his $1500 buyin, so he is getting freerolled by the EPL and the pro/am field. what defense do you have for this decision?
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:50 PM   #23
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whether or not you benefited, i'm shocked that you say you have trouble analyzing the situation objectively. you can't see why it's a problem that someone paid a buyin to enter a tourney, won a prize, and then had that prize taken from them? if he busts at any point before winning, this guy just loses his $1500 buyin. if he wins, he gets his prize money taken from him and only receives his $1500 buyin, so he is getting freerolled by the EPL and the pro/am field. what defense do you have for this decision?
You must not know much about how the mind/brain works if you don't understand how me being the person who ends up with his seat can make me think about it differently than many others who aren't affected. On to the arguement though:

He did not have the prize taken from him. He withdrew voluntarily. That is what I have been told.
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:02 PM   #24
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My posts from the NVG thread:

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I don't think it can (Allen asked can DQing him be done legally) and have expressed that opinion to various people with authority to do something about it. I think they arguably had the authority to disqualify him from the main event (although whether they should have in light of their previous actions is highly debatable IMO), but they did not have the right not to compensate him for the loss of the seat.
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In placing Chino Rheem on probation, the EPL Standards and Conduct committee stated the following:

During the formation of the Epic Poker League, the Standards & Conduct Committee made a policy decision that any personal conduct that occurred prior to the League’s formation would not affect initial eligibility of a league member.

Suspending DiVita (and he was told he would be suspended if he didn't withdraw) seems completely inconsistent with that "policy decision".
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:11 PM   #25
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You must not know much about how the mind/brain works if you don't understand how me being the person who ends up with his seat can make me think about it differently than many others who aren't affected. On to the arguement though:

He did not have the prize taken from him. He withdrew voluntarily. That is what I have been told.
your stance is basically "i'm the one that got paid so it's ok guys!", right? i don't need to know much about the mind or brain to tell you that that is pathetic.
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