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09-21-2008 , 03:05 AM

#76

wobblyau

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BadgerPro

Already a thread wobbly - merged your post into it.

thanks~ i dont normally post here so didnt check~ ta

09-21-2008 , 03:06 AM

#77

BadgerPro

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Originally Posted by wobblyau

thanks~ i dont normally post here so didnt check~ ta

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Sorry but that made me LOL.

09-21-2008 , 03:20 AM

#78

brainwash

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wobblyau

thanks~ i dont normally post here so didnt check~ ta

ok wobbly, i'm sorry that i gave you so much free equity.

charder, and everyone else who tattle told on me and elky, or whoever thinks that we're pos cheaters: i'm sorry for both of us that we made a stupid mistake, without thinking.

we're also sorry for the 20k in free prizepool that we donated to you.

but honestly, it was dumb lapse in judgement that i feel pretty stupid and bad for that will honestly not ever happen again.

09-21-2008 , 03:37 AM

#79

chrismystero

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For those questioning whether or not Elky should be allowed to play the ME or not, ask yourself this:

If it was charder flipping in the 500r (or any random player for that matter), do you think they would ban him for a week, BUT let him play the ME? Doubtful.

I don't hate Elky or anything, but imo, if theyre gunna ban charder for a week starting on X date, they should do the same for Elky, regardless of what tournaments are going on.

09-21-2008 , 04:49 AM

#80

PoorUser

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to all the people arguing about the difference in punishment between elky and charder:

its probably not my place to say but if i had to guess if a (any) person (who had been playing all the COOP events or was just a high volume player or maybe even just anybody) were to be banned for a week for something that happened ~2 days before the WCOOP ME pokerstars would innitiate the ban after the COOP ME (biggest online tourney ever). pokerstars support isnt soulless afaik

09-21-2008 , 05:24 AM

#81

Clayton

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1) flipping in tournaments isnt wrong, its not like the other 7 people arent allowed to call the shove, and whatever "artificial stack" they create comes at the cost of giving away oceans of EV to the rest of the table

2) i agree with the double standard. there, i said it. the rule is gay, you are a tournament grinder, he is elky. It's WCOOP time, let your pros rep the site > maintaining fairness with regards to a stupid rule

09-21-2008 , 05:48 AM

#82

gimmetheloot

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Charder, if you really SENT that email to pokerstars, WOW @ the level of douchebaggery there. Unable to be put into words, just wow.

09-21-2008 , 05:53 AM

#83

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Originally Posted by Clayton

So if Stars catches people colluding badly, should they be let off? What if they can't be sure whether their collusion is +EV or -EV? (It's certainly possible for flipping to be +EV in a tournament, depending on your position relative to the other player and your ROI in the tournament). Should they make a judgment call if they say, catch someone multiaccounting as to whether that player was +EV in the tournament or not?

How important is it to allow players the option to collude badly, weighed up against the time it would take to differentiate between "good" and "bad" cheating?

09-21-2008 , 06:51 AM

#84

OkTime4PlanB

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I would have never reported elky, I could see if it was CHAD BROWN or something, but elky is a nice guy and a fellow internet pro.

Now I know you reported him because he was a stars pro, and you wanted to see if stars would also rule against him like they did to you, that's fine I guess, but you're now certainly BUSH LEAGUE.

that's about as bush league as it gets.

09-21-2008 , 07:26 AM

#85

Cat

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Originally Posted by Bond18

10k is a pretty big hit if he actually had to pay it.

He's up around $300k this WCOOP, I think he'll live.

Which isn't to say that reporting some one you consider "a really nice guy and a friend" for breaking a rule that you vehemently disagree with to start with, isn't utterly pathetic.

09-21-2008 , 07:50 AM

#86

Shadowlike

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I suppose that the team stars pros get their WCOOP entry fees back from stars. (Can't see Vicky Coren playing the 25k HU otherwise). Do they also get all the rebuys so that Elky was basically flipping "on the house"?

That seems like a delicate situation, since stars would be giving some of their pros an advantage over the field. Especially in situations where two stars pros are at one table and can frequently flip against each other stars would be effectively give them more starting chips for the "real tournament" after the rebuy period.

09-21-2008 , 07:54 AM

#87

black666

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I wish I had the money to flip blind in a 500r

09-21-2008 , 08:59 AM

#88

corsakh

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If you want to flip in a cash game, you flip. Whats the big deal here and how is this different in a tourney?
Free EV = free ev, I do not understand. Now why the heck would anyone report this, too much sand?

09-21-2008 , 10:51 AM

#89

DMBFan4Ever

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Originally Posted by black666

I wish I had the money to flip blind in a 500r

or a 109R

09-21-2008 , 10:52 AM

#90

Yuv

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Man, wtf is wrong with you, charder?

09-21-2008 , 11:07 AM

#91

charder30

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Originally Posted by Yuv

Man, wtf is wrong with you, charder?

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09-21-2008 , 11:17 AM

#92

aditya

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Originally Posted by Yuv

Man, wtf is wrong with you, charder?

+100. It's so ridiculous he states that if it were some other internet pro, he wouldn't have ratted them out and wouldn't have cared, but the fact that this is Elky (PS pro) changes a lot. And then he goes on to say that Elky is his friend.

And I really don't understand how Elky's punishment isn't fair? He prolly gets a 1week ban starting like tomm or so right, so why are you bitching? He gets 10k taken away, gets a 1week ban, same as you did, what's the problem? You want the ban to take place immediately, so he doesn't play in the WCOOP me? If so, your douche level is off the meter.

09-21-2008 , 11:19 AM

#93

KingDan

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charder you come across pretty poorly in this

09-21-2008 , 11:25 AM

#94

mement_mori

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Originally Posted by KingDan

charder you come across pretty poorly in this

09-21-2008 , 11:26 AM

#95

Inyaface

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Originally Posted by youcanhaveitall

+1 =2

09-21-2008 , 12:20 PM

#96

redirkulous

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charder

09-21-2008 , 12:25 PM

#97

The Universe

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Alright, this is absolutely ridiculous. I'm sick of reading posts on either site bashing charder. First of all he was certainly not the only one to report them. Secondly, he said he did it with the intention of alerting stars to the stupidity of their ban on flipping not to get anyone in trouble. If he did it purely with the intention of getting people into trouble thats another story, but knowing Charder theres pretty much no question that that isnt the case.

09-21-2008 , 12:28 PM

#98

Bakes

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such ******ation in this thread

hint: not the post above me

09-21-2008 , 12:43 PM

#99

gettym

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Seriously coming off as an angry nit here charder.

09-21-2008 , 12:47 PM

#100

PoorSkillz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nichlemn

The fact that certain instances of flipping may be -EV in no way justifies it. Perhaps if Pokerstars had perfect information, they could only punish cheaters who were clearly gaining an advantage from cheating. But this isn't the case, so they have to draw the line at prohibiting all types of collusion. Maybe ElkY was trying to get more buyins in an event he was +EV in, or maybe he just wanted to recklessly gamble. Trying to distinguish between the two types in every case would be so time-consuming that it's not worth it.

This.

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