Agree with Thayer, stop being withered. Also ASpoker if you want to be a credible UF fan you should prob change your avatar of Percy to include the jersey number hes been wearing the last two years..

nah 8 is my favorite number

I wonder if Charder was a snitch at school.

Quite amazing that he thinks a rule is incorrect and yet snitches on someone for breaking it.

Sure, but obviously that's not the case here, and obviously Stars doesn't make rules to protect backers.

I think shane's point is pretty valid, but I'm not sure if it makes up for the fact that Elky's paying a premium for chips (since the presence of the add-on makes chips worth less) and the marginal return on chips and the fact that not everybody doing this is very good.

In other words, if I'm not flipping in a rebuy, I don't think it's obvious how my equity changes if other people are allowed to flip.

Surely it affects your equity like multi accounting affects your equity.

For a player who is -ev you don't mind how many chips they pay for because each rebuy is -ev. For a winning player buying more chips gives them a disproportional edge.

Similarly you wouldn't mind a terrible player having sevral shots at a freezeout by playing lots of accounts. All his attempts give you extra equity.

You are familiar with the concept of chip value decreasing with an increasing stack correct? Artificial stack? He spent like 17k donating to the entire table as well as himself. Gambling like that can't be +Ev (although I do sometimes) and I'm a big believer in allowing my opponents to make mistakes.

fwiw, I was banned for a month during a month long plb sidebet (so I lost a ton of equity) for an all in blind agreement and I could give a **** less how they punish someone else for violating what I think is a stupid rule in the first place. The less it is enforced the better.

I think its a good rule

i do, and i would always want to flip if it was legal.

This isn't true.

For example, if I were playing in a tournament in which every player's equity was equal, if some players multiaccounted my equity would remain unchanged, but if some players flipped, my equity would increase substantially.

what? that is obviously irrelevant. The only reason i emailed was b/c elky was a stars pro and i wanted to see how they would apply the bs rule to him.

my post from p5s:
ok yes i sent in an email reporting him. As you can tell from my 2+2 post, i feel sorry for elky, hes a super nice guy and id consider him a friend but he violated a stupid bs rule that i got banned for and i wanted to see what stars would do to there team pro....Im not one to snitch on friends, but this is different b/c hes a stars pro, i wouldn't of reported any regular, flipping in the 109r or anything if he wasn't a team pro. I feel me and Annette got a raw deal, mostly because of Annette and to me a lesser extent being big names in the online tournament scene. That said i love stars and they are still my favorite site and have done a lot for me including sponsoring me in EPT san remo (ya i know sick brag), but this really got to me. Hope everyone understands.

-christian.

I would have offered 100-1 that Stars didn't punish Elky in exactly the same way (if not harsher) that punished you.

The fact that you "consider him a friend" makes it even more amazing to me that you snitched him out, possibly threatening his Pokerstars sponsorship.

If you were a real friend, you would simply have told him your experience when you were "caught" flipping.

With "friends" like you, Elky doesn't need enemies.

No he's not.

he's in the 10k horse insta after breaking rules..

GOT ME

heres how I see the thing...Elkyy is getting payed to play at pokerstars right? So that kind of makes him an employee. And Charder is a customer...Employee>customers imo...They have more invested in elkyy than they do in charder. they are a business, at the end of the day they are there to make money. They have Team Pokerstars pros to draw players to entering tourneys and playing at their site. If they feel that elkyy playing in the ME is a better business decision for them than they can do that.

I also believe that the circumstances are so different that we dont know if Pokerstars would of banned charder had it of been right before the biggest online tourney they offer. They want everyone they can get into the tourney and im about 90% sure if charder did this during the 500r(and had not been previously penalized for this infraction) than they would let him play in the ME...

Say what you must but they are a business looking out for themselves....Now go on with your flames on me and your empty threats on how you will no longer play on pokerstars due to this

customer is always right imo

anyways, after talking this over with people, i honestly dont care anymore...id much rather stars overturn there rule on flipping then ban elky

ElkY runs bad. Forfeits 10k winnings then bubbles the 10k HORSE. Woops.

whoever reported elky is a ***.i dont getwhy ppl do this so gay.

The fact that certain instances of flipping may be -EV in no way justifies it. Perhaps if Pokerstars had perfect information, they could only punish cheaters who were clearly gaining an advantage from cheating. But this isn't the case, so they have to draw the line at prohibiting all types of collusion. Maybe ElkY was trying to get more buyins in an event he was +EV in, or maybe he just wanted to recklessly gamble. Trying to distinguish between the two types in every case would be so time-consuming that it's not worth it.

It's similar to debates like the driving or drinking age: sure, there are underage people more responsible than some who are of age and it'd be +EV to let them drink if you knew everything about their situation. But determining what their situation is would be more costly to the government than it would benefit the underage drinker.

yeah elky runs horrible in WCOOP lol

Did Annette cash the tourney that you got the suspension for?

So i emailed stars after he colluded on my table with "brain wash", and props on stars for not having double standards.

salut

Hello XXX,

Thank you for your email. As you are no doubt aware, agreeing in chat to go all-in blind(flipping) in our rebuy events is in violation of our tournament rules. Such agreements violate tournament rule # 9 which states in part... "Poker is an individual (not a team) game. Any action or chat intended to help another player is unethical and is prohibited." This is further reinforced in one of the examples on the prohibited tournament chat examples web page. http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tour...urnament-chat/ Example #3 states in part... "Poker is an individual game, not a team sport. Players may not act as a group in any way, nor may a player even suggest or mention such an idea.". 'ElkY' has built up a wealth of tournament experience in both online and brick and mortar card rooms. As such PokerStars considers that 'ElkY' should have been well aware of our rules. After discussions between senior management, the decision has been made to disqualify 'ElkY' from T#200800029. He will forfeit his winnings in that event and all players will move up accordingly. Those players moving up in pay brackets will shortly be credited. Further management discussions are ongoing as to a suitable timeout period from PokerStars for 'ElkY'. This decision process requires input from people who are in different timezones and with it being a weekend this decision is not likely to be made for a few days. Suffice to say that it will be for a minimum of one week. ElkY is an ambassador for PokerStars and should not have acted in this manner. He has been educated as to why his actions were wrong, in order to prevent any repeat occurance. Thank you for reporting this matter and for helping to protect the integrity of our games.

Kind Regards, EdManager,
Collusion Investigation
TeamPokerStars Game Security.

so i s he gonna play ME still?

Already a thread wobbly - merged your post into it.