i like how they say "elky is a pro, so he should have been aware of the rules, therefore, it is ok"

GET UR HEADS OUT OF UR ASSES POKERSTARS

i dont mind it as long as pokerstars just realizes they are completely biased, unethical, and pure scum

fyp

wwh

wat?

there is probably a chance this is all a sham and elky did'nt have to give up the 10k (stars ate it) and they'll just ban him for a period of time he wasn't planning on playing online (i.e. after the wcoop when he's playing EPTs)

fwiw you can't openly discuss flipping in the WSOP 1kr

10k is a pretty big hit if he actually had to pay it.

under what consequence? I'm not being an ass, just curious

guessing it would go something like, warning, penalty, penalty, dq

This seems pretty harsh considering he could have lost like 20k in equity if he would have ran really bad on the flips and then had no shot at winning any prize money.

Surely this statement is a joke. His equity/variance has nothing to do with a rule designed to ensure fairness for the entire tournament. Anyway, how about all the equity he robbed from me by inflating his stack during the rebuy period and then sitting on my left for hours with an artificially juiced-up stack?

The rule is well-known, and it's probably the most fair way to run a rebuy tournament.

Also, HIV, learn how to read.

"Further management discussions are ongoing as to a suitable timeout period
from PokerStars for 'ElkY'. This decision process requires input from
people who are in different timezones and with it being a weekend this
decision is not likely to be made for a few days."


How convenient

I realize why it is wrong but from what I remember other cases of this did not lose their winnings from the tournaments they played in.

Also the players in the tournament gained the free equity of his buyin and however many rebuys he used.

I am in favor of him being suspended but it seems a little severe.

What a dumb rule. Is stars operated by idiots?

I hate this rule.

I think going all in blind should be allowed whether you do it on your own or stand on top of a building and scream it to the Pacific. Anyone can do it, so you have no inherent advantage, and if you don't wanna spend the money like others or if you feel like you just won't have the same edge then don't play. All in blinds are fun, they juice up the prize pool, and they create big stacks which equal more play post rebuy period. If you think they create inequality then you don't have to register. My guess is if Stars sent out a memo to all saying allin blinds were now allowed in rebuy periods there fields wouldn't be cut at all, in fact they might get a boost.

If anything make some tournaments where allin blind is specifically allowed and see what kinda turnout u get.

Wasn't it more like an agreement to flip if no one else was in the pot? Isn't that a clear case of collusion, verbally discussing how to play a hand out with another player?

And I think Stars is in a position where they needed a harsh penalty, a simple warning would have resulted in massive outcries of double-standards since others have had account suspensions for the same actions.

just sent this email : ED i did a flip on the 19th and was banned @ 4am on the 21st so i couldnt play that day, surely elky shouldnt be able to play the wcoop ME right?

So what?

Believe me no one is going to fold a good hand just so Elky and Brainwash can flip blind. The only effect it has on everyone else is a positive one, as they get free chips added to the table and the chance to gamble in wildly +ev spots assuming Elky and Brainwash weren't sitting right next to each other.

There were 2 players doing the same at my starting table and since I like them both and think this rule is bull**** believe me I won't be outing them so they lose their money.

Did ElkY kill your dog or something?

Why do you feel that him having to miss the biggest online tourney of the year, on the biggest sunday of the year, AND losing 10k, is equal punishment to the punishment you recieved?

And why are you so hell bent on getting others equal punishment when you've already said the punishment is not fair/too severe?

/thread

The fact that Elky lost 10k should be irrelevant!. Charder would have lost any winnings he won in the tournament he flipped in.

The punishments are exactly the same except for the fact that Elky is allowed to play the wcoop ME because he is elky.


this is totally unfair

I think you are thinking about this the wrong way.

What is important here is that PokerStars be consistent with how they handle Charder's punishment and how they handle Elky's punishment.

Charder was banned for 1 week less than 36 hours after his flipping incident. If he had cashed in the tournament, he would have forfeited his winnings.

Elky was banned for x greater than 36 hours after his flipping incident and conveniently AFTER the wcoop me. He did cash in the tournament and forfeited his winnings.

So it's only fair if an unfair punishment is enforced and Elky loses much more equity than Charder?

Got it.

I think everyone agrees that the rule is stupid and there shouldn't be a punishment, or a rule for what Charder and Elky did.

However, Stars does have a rule for this stuff and they do punish people for flipping.

So that makes above irrelevant.

What matters is that stars enforces the rule consistently and fairly.

The fact that Elky loses more equity than Charder is only a byproduct of timing. I think that if Stars alters how they enforce their rule because of this, it is very hypocritical and pretty wrong.

Jealous that Elky is a better player prob