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Old 09-20-2008, 04:02 PM   #1
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elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

email from stars, i feel bad for elky, i think stars rule is stupid, but he should receive what i got. This is stars email. (he cashed for 10k in the 500r)

Hello Christian,

Thank you for your email. As you are no doubt aware, agreeing in chat to
go all-in blind(flipping) in our rebuy events is in violation of our
tournament rules.

Such agreements violate tournament rule # 9 which states in part...

"Poker is an individual (not a team) game. Any action or chat intended to
help another player is unethical and is prohibited."

This is further reinforced in one of the examples on the prohibited
tournament chat examples web page.

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tour...ed-tournament-
chat/

Example #3 states in part... "Poker is an individual game, not a team
sport. Players may not act as a group in any way, nor may a player even
suggest or mention such an idea.".

'ElkY' has built up a wealth of tournament experience in both online and
brick and mortar card rooms. As such PokerStars considers that 'ElkY'
should have been well aware of our rules.
After discussions between senior management, the decision has been made
to disqualify 'ElkY' from T#200800029. He will forfeit his winnings in
that event and all players will move up accordingly. Those players moving
up in pay brackets will shortly be credited.

Further management discussions are ongoing as to a suitable timeout period
from PokerStars for 'ElkY'. This decision process requires input from
people who are in different timezones and with it being a weekend this
decision is not likely to be made for a few days. Suffice to say that it
will be for a minimum of one week.

ElkY is an ambassador for PokerStars and should not have acted in this
manner. He has been educated as to why his actions were wrong, in order to
prevent any repeat occurance.

Thank you for reporting this matter and for helping to protect the
integrity of our games.

Kind Regards,

Ed
Manager, Collusion Investigation Team
PokerStars Game Security.
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Old 09-20-2008, 04:07 PM   #2
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

wow sux for elky and brainfish i think. i was watching menlo and gp's table and gp asked menlo to flip when it was like 2 hrs in. i think they each had like 50k. menlo said no because he didnt wanna get reported for collusion.
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Old 09-20-2008, 04:11 PM   #3
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

i think GP was prolly joking...
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Old 09-20-2008, 04:22 PM   #4
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

wow, owned. How much did he forfiet?
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Old 09-20-2008, 04:32 PM   #5
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

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wow, owned. How much did he forfiet?
First line of OP (in parenthesis)
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Old 09-20-2008, 04:35 PM   #6
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

should get banned for at least a month if not more. supposed to be an ambassador and its the wcoop. ridiculous he gets a slap on the wrist and can play the ME
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Old 09-20-2008, 04:47 PM   #7
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First line of OP (in parenthesis)
lol, I thought I read the whole post........
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Old 09-20-2008, 04:51 PM   #8
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

I never new this rule, kind of ashame for him as he has had a great Wcoop.
I think the DQ is enough, no need for a timeout...
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Old 09-20-2008, 04:52 PM   #9
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

Ehhh, Charder banned for a week no monetary loss

vs Elky not banned for a week but losing 10 dimes.


No complaints here....
 
Old 09-20-2008, 04:52 PM   #10
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

This is ****ing bull****, you would never get a penalty in B&M casino for doing this, why are they punishing you for it online?
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Old 09-20-2008, 04:54 PM   #11
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This is ****ing bull****, you would never get a penalty in B&M casino for doing this, why are they punishing you for it online?
1. precedent
2. they are starting to crack down on this in B&M afaik.
 
Old 09-20-2008, 04:57 PM   #12
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Taknapotin gets $2200!
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:06 PM   #13
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

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Ehhh, Charder banned for a week no monetary loss

vs Elky not banned for a week but losing 10 dimes.


No complaints here....
It looks like they might tempban Elky as well if I read that part correctly
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:14 PM   #14
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

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Taknapotin gets $2200!
ship it to me

Hello,

PokerStars has become aware of a player who was recently in
violation of our tournament rules. That player was disqualified from said tournanent and as such you have been moved up in the standings. The reason you are receiving this email is that you are receiving a credit for finishing in a new pay bracket.

To confirm your credit, log onto your PokerStars account, go to the 'Cashier' screen and click the 'History' button. Your share will be shown "Credit Purchase", followed by the amount of the credit.

The integrity of the games at PokerStars is of paramount importance to us and we will not abide cheating or collusion in our games. We work hard to police our games and prevent such instances. In the rare cases where collusion has actually occurred, we make sure that any players affected are compensated appropriately.

Thank you for your continued play here on PokerStars. Please do not hesitate to let us know any time we can be of help.

Regards,

Ed
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THANKS ELKY
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:21 PM   #15
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

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Ehhh, Charder banned for a week no monetary loss

vs Elky not banned for a week but losing 10 dimes.


No complaints here....
i didnt cash in the tourney, i might have had the $$$ taken away if i did.
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:23 PM   #16
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

This is just rediculous.
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:26 PM   #17
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lol? ridiculous? if they ban charder for it they better ****ing do something about elky
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:31 PM   #18
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

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lol? ridiculous? if they ban charder for it they better ****ing do something about elky
Don't mean to speak fory LarrySwanson, but if I read him correctly I think he means the RULE is rediculous (being banned / DQ'd for flipping during a rebuy), not the even distribution of punishment.

OT
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:32 PM   #19
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lol? ridiculous? if they ban charder for it they better ****ing do something about elky
he lost 10 F G's
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:39 PM   #20
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

Does anyone think that flipping in rebuys is unethical?
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:40 PM   #21
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

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Does anyone think that flipping in rebuys is unethical?
nope
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:43 PM   #22
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

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Does anyone think that flipping in rebuys is unethical?
I think it could be if you are getting backed.
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Old 09-20-2008, 06:01 PM   #23
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Re: elky d/q'ed from 500r, but will play WCOOP ME

Just... don't they have better things to worry about? Other players can call with the knowledge that they're blind.
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Old 09-20-2008, 06:06 PM   #24
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Just... don't they have better things to worry about? Other players can call with the knowledge that they're blind.
yes sure, i agree stars shouldnt ban anyone, but once they ban one person they have to ban everyone.
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Old 09-20-2008, 06:14 PM   #25
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just an absolutely ridiculous double standard.

***** stars
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