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06-15-2016 , 12:06 PM
cant change name on party and havnt been able to for a long time
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06-15-2016 , 12:27 PM
none of this would shock me

agree but_flush plays a bit too crazy from personal recall, but i trust #s

ty for doing the work

im sure more of us would be willing to send hands on the people you suspect to gather more evidence if the sites dont want to do any work
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06-15-2016 , 04:07 PM
I always found it weird that Ipoker had such a high % of super aggro regs.
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06-15-2016 , 05:13 PM
so they play bad but crush?
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06-15-2016 , 05:14 PM
I'm not a tourney player, but this bot thing interests me. So if anyone wants to throw a bit of insight my way it would be appreciated

I gather from this thread that these bot-guided humans aren't playing well in certain situations [such as against a spewy player on tilt] & yet they're clearing some serious cash. Or are we seeing just the big winners from the group & the majority losers are undetected?

Is an ITM of around 20% optimal for example? Aren't these players exploitable even without one knowing they're playing to a script?

What is the major threat these bots pose? Is the threat to do with money extracted from the 'ecosystem'? But what if they're only slightly net winners [or losers even] as an entire group once one includes the undetected losers?
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06-15-2016 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Party_Rep
Hi all

Thank you OP for the detailed information
Can you please PM myself any further findings
I have raised this is urgent with the relevant team for review and full investigation
Action will be taken where deemed necessary

Kind regards

Colette
Massive props to Party rep coming straight in and taking action.
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06-15-2016 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by _Loki_
I'm not a tourney player, but this bot thing interests me. So if anyone wants to throw a bit of insight my way it would be appreciated

I gather from this thread that these bot-guided humans aren't playing well in certain situations [such as against a spewy player on tilt] & yet they're clearing some serious cash. Or are we seeing just the big winners from the group & the majority losers are undetected?

Is an ITM of around 20% optimal for example? Aren't these players exploitable even without one knowing they're playing to a script?

What is the major threat these bots pose? Is the threat to do with money extracted from the 'ecosystem'? But what if they're only slightly net winners [or losers even] as an entire group once one includes the undetected losers?
To say the least your questions are being very naive...
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06-15-2016 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lotto Engine
To say the least your questions are being very naive...
fatality !
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06-15-2016 , 07:54 PM
We had our last conversation with Pads on 23th of May [he asked to leave it with him till 27th of May, so we did], we provided him new list of suspects and shortly after they stopped playing [probably were banned].

We didn't have 'AcofAces14' on the list at the moment and his account wasn't banned.

Their activity on iPoker network wasn't affected.
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06-15-2016 , 08:20 PM
every single ipoker villain is in action today
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06-15-2016 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Lotto Engine
To say the least your questions are being very naive...
To say the least? The least would be to say nothing which would do us both a favour.
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06-15-2016 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorem




3.‘Signature’ playing style which is unorthodox/uncommon for regs:

- very high WWSF [>50%, several streets of bets with no equity in multiway pots, etc];

- ‘contradiction’ of preflop and postflop stats: have you ever seen human regs which are fighting for every postflop pot even with no equity (WWSF>50%, fold to c-bet < 40%) but still folding ±60% to 3bet and folding ±60% to steal? I think you haven’t (cause it’s impossible to find one).

If you bump at them at the table just go thru some of their hands with showdown to be sure that it’s not really usual game of regs.

Do those kind of (?) maybe (?) look like cash game stats??

Maybe the bot was built to play cash ... and has people playing cash too?
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06-15-2016 , 11:02 PM
oops - was trying to post this in NVG ... looks like am in the MTT thread ...

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06-16-2016 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TrustySam
oops - was trying to post this in NVG ... looks like am in the MTT thread ...

keep reaching for the stars
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06-16-2016 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TomHimself
so they play bad but crush?
Yep. Everyones solid.
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06-16-2016 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by _Loki_
To say the least? The least would be to say nothing which would do us both a favour.
I don't need favours tbh, though I'm cba with these internet speculations. Take care.
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06-16-2016 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by The Lipo Fund
none of this would shock me

agree but_flush plays a bit too crazy from personal recall, but i trust #s

ty for doing the work

im sure more of us would be willing to send hands on the people you suspect to gather more evidence if the sites dont want to do any work
+1.
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06-16-2016 , 07:18 AM
wrt but_flush, it's possible a real guy was playing on the account some % of the time and a bot some other %.

guy asking why this is such a big deal - stop posting
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06-16-2016 , 11:37 AM
I have tons of hands of all these guys in party like everyone and will definitely be looking at their hands when I get back from abroad. Durst fan is at all the tables all the time on party would be pretty lol if he is a bot and I never even noticed.
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06-16-2016 , 11:47 AM
Sweet jesus, I'll be so upset if but_flush is a bot as he always seemed to get the better of me on Party! I found it extremely odd that he never responded in chat, even HU. I assumed it was because he was playing EVERYTHING and didn't notice the chat, or was so arrogant he assumed he had a sick skill edge 10bbs deep...
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06-16-2016 , 06:19 PM
I'm not a 100% sure but i think durstfan is also playin on stars and he insulted me in chat like a year ago could be wrong though...
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06-16-2016 , 06:49 PM
durstfan is not a bot just an annoying reg
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06-16-2016 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorem


3.‘Signature’ playing style which is unorthodox/uncommon for regs:

- very high WWSF [>50%, several streets of bets with no equity in multiway pots, etc];

- no adjusments to stages of tournament: identical stats for pre and post ante stages, ignore of ICM [these are the reasons why we combined pre and post ante hands on HEM screenshots];

- ‘contradiction’ of preflop and postflop stats: have you ever seen human regs which are fighting for every postflop pot even with no equity (WWSF>50%, fold to c-bet < 40%) but still folding ±60% to 3bet and folding ±60% to steal? I think you haven’t (cause it’s impossible to find one).

If you bump at them at the table just go thru some of their hands with showdown to be sure that it’s not really usual game of regs.
I'm german, and trashtalk-chat a lot! I'm not a bot!
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06-16-2016 , 09:55 PM
Hey guys, im playing on ipoker (mrdog), idk about all guys you meantioned, but blankbetman and segamk3 really fit description, they make moves as if they dont know im a reg (and i play them like everyday). When i saw blankbetman graph i couldnt believe he is a winner.

Last edited by sugarsugarxx; 06-16-2016 at 09:56 PM. Reason: misspelling
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06-16-2016 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarsugarxx
Hey guys, im playing on ipoker (mrdog), idk about all guys you meantioned, but blankbetman and segamk3 really fit description, they make moves as if they dont know im a reg (and i play them like everyday). When i saw blankbetman graph i couldnt believe he is a winner.
yes its painfully obvious.

and to anyone who thinks chatting in game has anything to do with being a bot you dont understand how these bot guys work now.

i know of 3 czech players who are bots, but they will chat in game on occasion.
many of these bot guys will just have the bot playing for them but they are still in the room reading a book or whatever, sure they may go to the store but they arent just leaving these bots unattended for days at a time.
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