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Old 07-08-2017, 05:10 PM   #676
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Re: biggest mtt downswing?

The fact that you make notes or even remember hands like "omg I lost with AA 4 times" is the reason why you are not winning. Your sample size is lol in those graphs. Try losing at least over like 2000 MTTs before complaining. 150 MTTs is literally three sessions to a normal reg and one session to a masstabler reg. -150 buyins is super standard.

Also bb/100 is pointless if not filtered for correctly, try ante only and for different stack sizes. The bb/100 has been discussed to no end in like 49241485 different MTTc threads (actually the only threads on this forum these days are "I have good bb/100 but lose omg why" and "how do we split profits in a staking deal"), but +17,9bb/100 can be just because you play deepstack stuff. Try looking at 20-30bb deep only, I bet you're not higher than like 6bb/100 there. That's the stack depth you play with when the money matters and that's what you should focus on.

Although you could easily be the best player in the world, your sample size is pathetic and thus it's completely possible you have 0 leaks and have just been running bad over... 3 sessions. So the best thing you can probably do is to get a grip on sample size and stop following your results.
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:50 AM   #677
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The fact that you make notes or even remember hands like "omg I lost with AA 4 times" is the reason why you are not winning. Your sample size is lol in those graphs. Try losing at least over like 2000 MTTs before complaining. 150 MTTs is literally three sessions to a normal reg and one session to a masstabler reg. -150 buyins is super standard.

Also bb/100 is pointless if not filtered for correctly, try ante only and for different stack sizes. The bb/100 has been discussed to no end in like 49241485 different MTTc threads (actually the only threads on this forum these days are "I have good bb/100 but lose omg why" and "how do we split profits in a staking deal"), but +17,9bb/100 can be just because you play deepstack stuff. Try looking at 20-30bb deep only, I bet you're not higher than like 6bb/100 there. That's the stack depth you play with when the money matters and that's what you should focus on.

Although you could easily be the best player in the world, your sample size is pathetic and thus it's completely possible you have 0 leaks and have just been running bad over... 3 sessions. So the best thing you can probably do is to get a grip on sample size and stop following your results.
Thanx for the feedback, I get your point, really.

So there is not much difference in terms of variance when you play 150 tourneys in 3-4 sessions or 3 months.

Since average live players can get to play about 150-200 tourneys live a year, how do they make a living out of it?
If it is perfectly plausible that they can hit such negative results easily in just 150 tournaments, or 1-2 year of tournament plays.
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Old 07-09-2017, 03:23 PM   #678
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Re: biggest mtt downswing?

close to 15k in 5k games.my post ante bb/100 was over 8.but stars low to midstakes games (11-44usd) has the biggest fields.and plus if you have leaks in play like me its just a blink of an eye to go into five figures downswing in such a small period of time.

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Old 07-09-2017, 04:02 PM   #679
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Thanx for the feedback, I get your point, really.

So there is not much difference in terms of variance when you play 150 tourneys in 3-4 sessions or 3 months.

Since average live players can get to play about 150-200 tourneys live a year, how do they make a living out of it?
If it is perfectly plausible that they can hit such negative results easily in just 150 tournaments, or 1-2 year of tournament plays.
There is 0 difference in variance whether you play 150-200 tourneys over two days or two years, assuming equal level of play.

You can limit the variance by playing smaller fields. I assume people manage to play live for a living as a combination of the following:

-Bigger skill edge vs live donks (100+ ROI vs online typical 30% ROI)
-Playing cash/online on the side
-Being selective about MTTs they play

I doubt there are that many pros who actually only play live tournaments. There are some, sure, but they've originally grinded their bankrolls from online or something else back in the day when games were soft. It would be nearly impossible for an up-and-comer with, say, 10k roll to only play live tournaments for a living and make it without getting very lucky.

I don't enjoy live tournaments all that much precisely because it always ****s with my mind to think that it can take years and years for the variance to even itself out. You need a very deep bankroll for that stuff.

I didn't read all of your posts, so I'm not aware why exactly you put in such low volume. Obviously it's completely fine if poker isn't your job, if it is your job you absolute must put in 500+MTTs/month and less than 1000/month is considered abysmal effort by many. But if you're only playing MTTs once a week or so, then you just need to understand that ok, it's my choice to play 4 sessions a month, and it means I can easily lose for 6 months straight and it's normal. I understand you remember bad beat hands etc much easier when you won't get to play poker for another week. For those who play every day, no one even notices a beat (unless it's a huge ft etc), because there will be an endless amount of new tournaments on a daily basis.

Not one single tournament, result, or bad beat matters for an MTT player, and the best thing you can do to boost your winrate is to plug that mental leak and find a way to not give a **** about results. It's harder when you play low volume, I know, but there's just no way around it.
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Old 07-09-2017, 05:12 PM   #680
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Re: biggest mtt downswing?

Thank you very much for the feedback again, I really really appreciate it.

My PGC thread is here if you care to look.

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Old 07-10-2017, 11:02 AM   #681
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@chuck bass, you can also limit your varience by not clicking buttons and taking high varience lines as shown in tonnes of your hand histories.
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:22 AM   #682
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@chuck bass, you can also limit your varience by not clicking buttons and taking high varience lines as shown in tonnes of your hand histories.
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:23 PM   #683
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I've blanked the last 9 live tournaments so for my live play it feels like forever. But I won $11k live in January before that so it's all good.

Largest online swing - $1800 w/ $30 avg buy-in. Not that bad. I play low field sizes (<500) and a low variance style, though. ITM rate is ~18% for NLHE, 30%+ for PLO/PLO8.
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:25 PM   #684
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Re: biggest mtt downswing?

Can we get some real downswings in here please?
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Old 07-10-2017, 01:23 PM   #685
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almost 4k at 10 abi over 1k games, 3 months worth of playing for me. However I do believe that it was mostly me playing terrible and getting used to new style due to being coached for the first time
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:26 AM   #686
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abi roughly 80 till game 21k, 140 or so after that
OFc most of this at the start was my fault as well, but still skill level to beat 80 abi is not the same to beat higher stakes

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Old 07-11-2017, 07:02 AM   #687
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abi roughly 80 till game 21k, 140 or so after that
OFc most of this at the start was my fault as well, but still skill level to beat 80 abi is not the same to beat higher stakes

I ahve always wondered how do people do it as far as finances go when they are stuck this much. Like you were about 150k minus at some point, does that mean you deposited 150k ?

I know it sounds silly and I am not making fun of you, I am genuinely interested in how it works at that level
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Old 07-11-2017, 07:11 AM   #688
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Re: biggest mtt downswing?

Now we are talking rocco
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:44 PM   #689
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Now we are talking rocco
Grabs popcorn...

@RoccoGe:
Did you ship a sunday major on that big spike? GJ GL
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Old 07-11-2017, 04:45 PM   #690
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@chuck bass, you can also limit your varience by not clicking buttons and taking high varience lines as shown in tonnes of your hand histories.
Pretty sure I haven't posted a hand in hsmtt in like 3 years, also I wasn't complaining itt but rather trying to help a guy also I barely play poker anymore so think you have the wrong guy / are butthurt about something very random
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Old 07-11-2017, 04:49 PM   #691
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Well thats just stars, I was winning enough on other sites at same abi to not make it too bad. So yea I deposited a bunch , I mean I was a huge winner on .it network/live before relocating and starting back on .com so I had funds to lol

Edit: just to say I wasn't an amateur losing 150 before turning pro
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Old 07-11-2017, 05:16 PM   #692
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abi roughly 80 till game 21k, 140 or so after that
OFc most of this at the start was my fault as well, but still skill level to beat 80 abi is not the same to beat higher stakes

NEVER GIVE UP ROCCO (flex) nice bounce back mate
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Old 07-11-2017, 06:53 PM   #693
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Well thats just stars, I was winning enough on other sites at same abi to not make it too bad. So yea I deposited a bunch , I mean I was a huge winner on .it network/live before relocating and starting back on .com so I had funds to lol

Edit: just to say I wasn't an amateur losing 150 before turning pro
I'm really impressed, it looks like a 2000BI downswing but you had the roll and the mental strength to go through it and come out the other side.

Gl for the future, I hope you don't see another quite so big anytime soon.
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Old 07-11-2017, 09:49 PM   #694
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I have pretty stable automated job so I started grinding again in own office to pass time lol.
I play about 20-30 MTTs per day and I go on about 200-250 buy in downswings in micro stakes on stars. I play micros so I can leave in case something important comes up and not be worried there's 50-80 dollars gone.
Back about 4 years ago I played smaller volume on small sites like party and 888 in midstakes, and I used to moan if I went on 40 MTT downswing
Field sizes in pokerstars are 1.5k on average and playing micros you see so many rivers, it's like limit holdem. You will see so many rivers that you will commit suicide if you pay attention to every time you suck out.
Nowadays I have 0 game selection and load hypers and turbos left right and center, and these suckers turn in shove fest pretty early on.
My turbo ratio is 66% on star,2% on Party and 5% on 888.

So my advice is game select if you care about your swings. Play MTTs that have 10 minutes+ per blind, and if you swing 100 buyins in those, then you need to stop playing and start analyzing your games.

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Old 07-12-2017, 12:44 AM   #695
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You're wrong 100 buyin downswings are super standard.
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Old 07-12-2017, 05:42 AM   #696
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Re: biggest mtt downswing?

Someone comes in and posts 1k+ abi ds then someone complains about 100 abi swing

Smh
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:35 AM   #697
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Well thats just stars, I was winning enough on other sites at same abi to not make it too bad. So yea I deposited a bunch , I mean I was a huge winner on .it network/live before relocating and starting back on .com so I had funds to lol

Edit: just to say I wasn't an amateur losing 150 before turning pro
That is impressive, gj on not giving up man!
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Old 07-24-2017, 04:27 PM   #698
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What does it mean when your ev line is below zero but your running above ev in the positive ?
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Old 07-24-2017, 07:08 PM   #699
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What does it mean when your ev line is below zero but your running above ev in the positive ?
that you are running above EV and prlly you also suck at poker if its a big sample
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Old 07-24-2017, 08:15 PM   #700
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that you are running above EV and prlly you also suck at poker if its a big sample


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