your not winning on ftp since 2010 and not winning on stars since 2011 so maybe work at your own game

haha so good

You are a micro grinder. To think you are any good is just ignorance. You are there to work on your game and get better and move up. If you can't beat that game, even with the worst beats and longest cold decks possible, you still print money if you know the foundations. Clearly you don't and clearly you need to face the fact that you need to work on improving.

It's not a shame. It's a motivation. Being at the lower levels in poker means you have so much to learn and so much fun (and drama) ahead of you. Discovering this game is great and going deep and deeper in it (the game, not the MU) is a lot fun.

GL

mines is about 20k abi of 34 im just coming out of it now

i think moving up in stakes cos i had a 6 fig score and obv the ego boost from that made me play not my best poker and became complaacent at the tables, went back to game selecting a bit more and reducing AFS (more vol on euros instead of chasing stars glory) and its turning round now but i hope it doesnt happen again lol

may the flops be with you all

So swinging like 60k at 120$ ABI is close to uber std?

Have been on about a 300BI downswing back in the day on stars playing 25abi huge AFS. Im on a 100ish BI downswing on bovada right now playing turbos and non turbos with a 20abi.

Absolutely if you're mostly grinding Stars/FTP.

uber std isn't what I'd call it. 'Possible' def a better word. The worse your edge is, and playing negative edge games just makes possible more likely.

Imo it's pretty easy to do $60k @$120abi. I think it should be expected at some point for sure even if you're gboro/aceroth. Altho maybe skewed bc I suck, but it's easy for me to do anyways

whats your longest ds at 1k's mjw? 6 days?

had a horse in like 150k MU at around 60 abi


that sure was fun

did he ever get out?

If so, was he snap dropped or do you still feel he was profitable at the games you were putting him in?

what happened to the horse?

anddd then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKNX6dieVcc

And then they dropped him and Smok chortled at the 150k dent in his bankroll

good vocab ^^

nah it's pretty much uber standard at 120 abi. at lower stakes sure, you can game select so that 500 bi downswings should be towards the top end, but if you're playing abi 120 on the major sites in 2013 your roi is gonna be low enough that even if you're really good losing 500 bi will be standard

never got out

cut him

.see below

+1

According to PokerVarianceTools, a player at $120abi, 20% ROI, 500 AFS playing 5000 games a year has a 0.7% chance of losing 60k for the year.

I realize straight yearly profit is not the same as peak to valley downswing, so I ran monte-carlo simulations of 500 games. Over 2000 samples of 500 games, the max downswing recorded was $34,000.

I then lowered the player to be a marginal winner in softer higher AFS fields to 15% ROI and 1000 AFS. The max downswing recorded over 2000 samples of 500 games was $41400.

Lastly, I simulated 30,000 game careers for 30 of the first type of player and here were the max career length downswings for all 30:

57% of players had one downswing of 60k once in their career. I still like the term possible instead of uber standard. Most players will never play 30k games, and one in a career stretch is hardly standard.

My original post just stated that I think it is possible but not standard and that registration errors should be considered. I think what is more important is to state that it is more likely that a 60k downswing is the result of errors by the player than to simply say they are having that once in a career downswing.

Im sure its already been mentioned, but to get an ABI of 120 people are often spending 6/7k+ on a sunday, and its very very easy to brick a lot of sundays in a row which will cause all sorts of non sim-standard swings for an abi.

Throw in series and all the big buyins that actually push an abi to 100-120 are concentrated in the weekly/one off and mostly huge field games.

You could argue that the real skill is game selecting and grinding enough to offset this bias, but as buyins and field sizes are not distributed evenly I dont really see how this sort of sim can be considered accurate.

I agree that simulation isn't perfect, but:

I'd point out that the big field weekend and series tournaments that push an ABI to 120 also push that ROI to 20%. HS players should have bigger edges in those COOP fields and ROI is the ultimate killer of downswings. Its the tournaments with sub 10% ROI that make your variance go crazy, and those tournaments are normally small fields full of regs.

it's standard

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